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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Jetboogieman said:
But you said



And even though it was a compromise, people are keeping more of their money then in any time in the last 30 years.
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Yep, stand by it, people are keeping more of their money because 47% aren't paying any taxes yet tax revenue on the top 53% are paying more in taxes thus total revenue is up
 
Conservative said:
Sounds exactly like the people who vote Democratic
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Yes, the majority of the "American public broadly supports Obama's jobs plan," does sound like the people who vote Democratic. Good call!
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
"Conservative - he who dies with the most stuff, wins"

Oh, and you remember when the government was "of the people, by the people, and for the people?" When exactly was this? In the 40s and 50s - when the top tax rate was 90%?
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I love bleeding heart liberals who believe spending in the name of compassion is all that matters, not compassionate spending that means less need for that so called govt. help. You and your ilk will never be satisfied as there aren't enough people to fund the liberal spending appetite
 
Catawba said:
Yes, the majority of the "American public broadly supports Obama's jobs plan," does sound like the people who vote Democratic. Good call!
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A majority then aren't going to get their way, Democrats cannot even get 100% support. The Jobs bill is dead as is the Obama campaign.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, stand by it, people are keeping more of their money because 47% aren't paying any taxes yet tax revenue on the top 53% are paying more in taxes thus total revenue is up
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So you want to raise taxes? Because you're a communist?
 
Conservative said:
I love bleeding heart liberals who believe spending in the name of compassion is all that matters, not compassionate spending that means less need for that so called govt. help. You and your ilk will never be satisfied as there aren't enough people to fund the liberal spending appetite
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Way to answer the question ... with an ad hom.

There are enough people to fund this "spending appetite" but you just don't want us to tax them higher.

It is people like you, the greedy ***holes, that I really became a Liberal in the first place.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Way to answer the question ... with an ad hom.

There are enough people to fund this "spending appetite" but you just don't want us to tax them higher.

It is people like you, the greedy ***holes, that I really became a Liberal in the first place.
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Aw, yes, enough people to fund this spending appetite? Guess that is why we have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt today and more people below the poverty level than ever before. All the ad hom's here against me and this is the best you can do? Didn't you call me a dumbass? Now you call me a greedy asshole? The liberal results speak for themselves as does the success I have had and the family I have raised. Hope you grow up before it is too late for you.
 
Conservative said:
A majority then aren't going to get their way, Democrats cannot even get 100% support. The Jobs bill is dead as is the Obama campaign.
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You keep forgetting that the majority of Americans think otherwise. Are you counting on them to forget that by next November?
 
Catawba said:
You keep forgetting that the majority of Americans think otherwise. Are you counting on them to forget that by next November?
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No, I believe the American people will look at the results of this Administration and the Stimulus One, all the debt created, the 25 million unemployed and under employed and then realize that they will end up paying for these "sugar high" jobs when the Federal funding runs out ad realize we have a leftwing socialist President and need real change.
 
Conservative said:
Aw, yes, enough people to fund this spending appetite? Guess that is why we have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt today and more people below the poverty level than ever before. All the ad hom's here against me and this is the best you can do? Didn't you call me a dumbass? Now you call me a greedy asshole? The liberal results speak for themselves as does the success I have had and the family I have raised. Hope you grow up before it is too late for you.
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Too late for me? You are the one constantly spouting numbers which have been refuted and continue to claim them as verified. You are also the one who seems to struggle with basic math (a la the Reagan FIT revenue "doubling" despite the fact it didn't).
 
Conservative said:
No, I believe the American people will look at the results of this Administration and the Stimulus One, all the debt created, the 25 million unemployed and under employed and then realize that they will end up paying for these "sugar high" jobs when the Federal funding runs out ad realize we have a leftwing socialist President and need real change.
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The American people already have looked, but without the benefit of your Conservative colored glasses, this is what they think (from the previous post) ~

"Americans Favor Jobs Plan Proposals, Including Taxing Rich
Majority say Obama's jobs plan will help economy at least "a little"

"This is the second Gallup survey conducted in the last two weeks showing that the American public broadly supports Obama's jobs plan. A majority of Americans interviewed this past weekend believe the plan would help at least a little to create jobs and improve the economy.

Many of the proposals embedded in the plan receive majority support, and Americans strongly endorse the idea of paying for the plan by raising taxes on higher-income individual taxpayers and by eliminating tax deductions for some corporations. While Republicans are considerably less positive about the potential efficacy of the plan than are Democrats, a majority of the former favor a number of Obama's proposals, and also favor eliminating tax deductions for corporations to help fund the plan."
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Too late for me? You are the one constantly spouting numbers which have been refuted and continue to claim them as verified. You are also the one who seems to struggle with basic math (a la the Reagan FIT revenue "doubling" despite the fact it didn't).
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Keep diverting from the Obama record because obviously it is a record that you cannot defend and rightly so. Keep resorting to making me the issue and the personal attacks. I am sure that bodes well for your argument and support for Obama. Let me remind you

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Catawba said:
The American people already have looked, but without the benefit of your Conservative colored glasses, this is what they think (from the previous post) ~

"Americans Favor Jobs Plan Proposals, Including Taxing Rich
Majority say Obama's jobs plan will help economy at least "a little"

"This is the second Gallup survey conducted in the last two weeks showing that the American public broadly supports Obama's jobs plan. A majority of Americans interviewed this past weekend believe the plan would help at least a little to create jobs and improve the economy.

Many of the proposals embedded in the plan receive majority support, and Americans strongly endorse the idea of paying for the plan by raising taxes on higher-income individual taxpayers and by eliminating tax deductions for some corporations. While Republicans are considerably less positive about the potential efficacy of the plan than are Democrats, a majority of the former favor a number of Obama's proposals, and also favor eliminating tax deductions for corporations to help fund the plan."
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Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Conservative said:
Keep diverting from the Obama record because obviously it is a record that you cannot defend and rightly so. Keep resorting to making me the issue and the personal attacks. I am sure that bodes well for your argument and support for Obama. Let me remind you

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Go back to my statement. Did I, in any way, shape, or form, try and defend Obama? No. There you go again, copy and pasting said numbers.
 
Conservative said:
Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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It seems you have a difficult time understanding data, let me help you:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Go back to my statement. Did I, in any way, shape, or form, try and defend Obama? No. There you go again, copy and pasting said numbers.
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Said numbers ARE the Obama record and said record WILL be on the ballot in 2012. For someone who doesn't support Obama you sure resort to a lot of name calling and diversion from that record. No one has refuted the data posted showing the Obama record and yet all the Obama supporters attack me personally instead of trying to refute that data. It is what it is regardless of what you claim is someone refuting the data. Why do you buy what someone else says instead of finding out for yourself. You took great pride in proving that the FIT revenue didn't actually double during the Reagan years although it went up considerably yet you have yet to do the same research on the Obama record. Why is that?
 
Jryan said:
It seems you have a difficult time understanding data, let me help you:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740
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Liberals and socialists always have to stick together as one buys what the other says without doing any research to verify the information posted. Let me help you understanding something very basic, liberals here and liberalism in general are making you look foolish. It is ok to trust but you better verify. I posted the charts showing that there has been a net private sector job loss and yet you buy what was posted without even checking the data. Anyone can post graphs out of context and it seems because it came from another liberal you bought it. The actual data doesn't say what you think it says, it shows trends but not the end result. I assure you that if you generated the results that Obama has after spending as much as he has spent you would be fired.
 
Conservative said:
Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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you have no answer for catawba, no way to refute what he posted, so instead, back to the same ol' same ol'....pathetic
 
Conservative said:
Liberals and socialists always have to stick together as one buys what the other says without doing any research to verify the information posted. Let me help you understanding something very basic, liberals here and liberalism in general are making you look foolish. It is ok to trust but you better verify. I posted the charts showing that there has been a net private sector job loss and yet you buy what was posted without even checking the data. Anyone can post graphs out of context and it seems because it came from another liberal you bought it. The actual data doesn't say what you think it says, it shows trends but not the end result. I assure you that if you generated the results that Obama has after spending as much as he has spent you would be fired.
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Most people when someone says their data is wrong comes back and writes why their data is right. You have merely fallen back to your five steps, I'll highlight which step you are on:

1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult
 
Conservative said:
Said numbers ARE the Obama record and said record WILL be on the ballot in 2012. For someone who doesn't support Obama you sure resort to a lot of name calling and diversion from that record. No one has refuted the data posted showing the Obama record and yet all the Obama supporters attack me personally instead of trying to refute that data. It is what it is regardless of what you claim is someone refuting the data. Why do you buy what someone else says instead of finding out for yourself. You took great pride in proving that the FIT revenue didn't actually double during the Reagan years although it went up considerably yet you have yet to do the same research on the Obama record. Why is that?
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No, I didn't have to do "research" on Reagan not doubling the FIT revenue. That took elementary math skills to say "Conservative says FIT revenues doubled during Reagan. Given X and then multiplying it by 2 does not equal what was stated. Hence, you are a liar.
 
Jryan said:
Most people when someone says their data is wrong comes back and writes why their data is right. You have merely fallen back to your five steps, I'll highlight which step you are on:

1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult
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it's all you can do when you don't have ****. :coffeepap
 
Jryan said:
Most people when someone says their data is wrong comes back and writes why their data is right. You have merely fallen back to your five steps, I'll highlight which step you are on:

1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult
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You seem to have selective reading skills as well as comprehension. I have responded to the data in that so called post that refuted the Obama record which of course it didn't. I welcome you doing the research and verifying if I posted anything inaccurate or out of context. You see, trends don't really matter until those trends generate positive job growth and deficit reduction. Trends weren't very good when Bush took over from Clinton either but see what happened in 2003 to 2007 and Bush didn't add 4.2 trillion to the debt to generate those numbers. Suggest you go to the sites, research the sites, and then come back after proving me wrong. Just think what a hero you would be to other liberals here.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
No, I didn't have to do "research" on Reagan not doubling the FIT revenue. That took elementary math skills to say "Conservative says FIT revenues doubled during Reagan. Given X and then multiplying it by 2 does not equal what was stated. Hence, you are a liar.
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Is that the best you can do? Just think of what a hero you would be by proving me wrong on the data that I have posted showing the Obama record? Wow, you would be a legend. You know what the problem is however? The data posted is 100% accurate and in fact some here that challenged the data all of a sudden became quiet when they did research the sites and the data. Instead you want to make this personal andd make me the issue. Liberals like you have to use the politics of personal destruction and try to destroy me when it is the record that matters, not me.

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Boo Radley said:
it's all you can do when you don't have ****. :coffeepap
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Hey, take your best shot, prove the numbers I have posted are wrong?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
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