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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Catawba;1059883834]I am asking you for your opinion on each of these bills:

    We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas?
    Tax break meaning that a company keeps more of what they earn? I have no problem with that. Business taxes are too high the way they are and if you lowered taxes there would be no incentive to move jobs overseas

    We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves?
    Why is that important? I don't care who contributes what to whom? Why do you? Those people don't vote and if your Congressional Rep's vote can be bought then that is the problem, not the contribution

    We should not increase the military basic pay?
    I doubt seriously that this is the only thing in that bill. I believe our military is underpaid so i have no problem increasing their pay

    We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.
    What is that even an issue? What more is there in this bill and why is it being opposed?

    We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses?
    Banks should be responsible for their own funds,no bail outs, no taxpayer funds except those that go through the normal channels. Taxpayer money should go to fund a small central govt.

    We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance?
    Domestic emergency assistance is a taxpayer funded service as required by the state and local governments. I believe in states rights and when a state asks for Federal Aid it should be given, not forced. Too many strings otherwise.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    You're misunderstanding the context of this statement in the article. The point is that "The Chamber" that has consistently tried to reduce outsourcing still feels that the bill presented is not a proper solution, and that it will in fact interfere with the American companies competing in the World Market. Not all products in our stores are produced by American companies. The reality is that if the average American has the choice of purchasing an American made item or a less expensive yet equally as valuable foreign made item, they are going to choose the one that is less expensive in most cases. This creates a bad situation for our private sector corporations which in turn makes it harder for Americans to find jobs and increases our cost of living. If you then increase the operation costs of these companies even further, you will only make the situation worse.
    No, you are misunderstanding the quote, both from a literal analysis of the statement, and in context with their support for blocking a bill that would reduce outsourcing.

    The situation is already worse! We do not have enough jobs for our people because we continue to provide incentives for companies to move jobs overseas.

    It may be good for the wealthy, who are only interested in their personal bottom line, but its not good for the working class who have been suffering from high unemployment for the last 5 years, or those graduating from college without jobs.
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    Until Democrats controlled Congress in 2007, jobs created exceeded jobs lost.

    The Department of the Interior, Department of Energy, and Environmental Protection Agency drive more jobs out of this country than the tax code.

    But, I'll play along. The highest corporate tax in the world will surely cause employers to look elsewhere.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax break meaning that a company keeps more of what they earn?

    Tas break meaning they pay less taxes for moving jobs overseas than a company does for keeping jobs in the US.


    Why is that important? I don't care who contributes what to whom? Why do you? Those people don't vote and if your Congressional Rep's vote can be bought then that is the problem, not the contribution
    So, it would be ok with you if Iran donated heavily to one party, just as long as we didn't know it was them?



    I doubt seriously that this is the only thing in that bill. I believe our military is underpaid so i have no problem increasing their pay
    Why did the GOP block the basic military pay increase?



    What is that even an issue? What more is there in this bill and why is it being opposed?
    You would have to ask the GOP, they are the ones that blocked increased aural protection for the troops.



    Banks should be responsible for their own funds,no bail outs, no taxpayer funds except those that go through the normal channels. Taxpayer money should go to fund a small central govt.
    Its actually about local banks having access to funds from bigger banks to make loans to small businesses. Are you opposed to small business having greater access to loans?


    Domestic emergency assistance is a taxpayer funded service as required by the state and local governments. I believe in states rights and when a state asks for Federal Aid it should be given, not forced. Too many strings otherwise.
    No one is suggesting forcing states to take excess nonlethal supplies during a disaster, they are talking about making them available, when requested, as you suggest.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    There are laws against foreign contributions, which Obama got around with $20 debut cards that could not be traced.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am asking you for your opinion on each of these bills:

    We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas? Not if the consequences of these actions included making it more difficult for American companies to compete in a world market. The US is not the only place on this planet that is worth anything.

    We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves? No, it violates a constitutional right to privacy. If you did this you would have to require everyone to present their votes publically.

    We should not increase the military basic pay? No. http://militaryadvantage.military.co...deral-workers/ On a side note, it is a democrat that first tried to freeze military salary incrases in 2011
    The CBO report, which was requested by Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), attempts to com*pare reg*u*lar mil*i*tary com*pen*sa*tion (base pay, basic allowance for sub*sis*tence, and basic allowance for hous*ing) with the fed*eral cash com*pen*sa*tion (salary and over*time).

    Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.co...#ixzz1bC8pf1Sz
    MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com


    We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces. Protection needs to be improved all around. The bill was not properly thought out, nor does the proper funding exist to make all of these top of the line improvements. Until a non-fantasy more obtainable plan is presented, this bill should have been blocked as it was. Wishful thinking is nice, but it has no value in reality.

    We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses? No, this is not "fair" business practice. This would be like giving the fat kid 4 strikes in a little league game because he was not as good as the other players. It is a nice gesutre, but it makes as much sense as slowing down on the freeway to let just one person merge at the expense of the several mile long line of other poeple behind you. The rules are the rules and we all follow them regardless of our positions or excuses.

    We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance? I don't think you fully understand what this means and you are simply reacting to a biased blog that appears at the top of google searches when you search any one of the questions above. Excess nonlethal supplies are already available for emergency assistance.... United States Code: Title 10,2557. Excess nonlethal supplies: availability for humanitarian relief, domestic emergency assistance, and homeless veterans assistance | LII / Legal Information Institute
    (my replies in bold above)

    Now, maybe you won't mind answering why your posts always seem to be presented one sided and why you always feel that only one side is worth considering.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Until Democrats controlled Congress in 2007, jobs created exceeded jobs lost.

    The Department of the Interior, Department of Energy, and Environmental Protection Agency drive more jobs out of this country than the tax code.

    But, I'll play along. The highest corporate tax in the world will surely cause employers to look elsewhere.
    Please tell us specifically what the Democrats did in 2007 and before that caused the US to start hemorrhaging jobs?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    A one year bailout of public employee unions which my kids will still be paying taxes for in ten years is not a "jobs bill."

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please tell us specifically what the Democrats did in 2007 and before that caused the US started hemorrhaging jobs?
    But we agree unemployement was in decline until Congress spent like drunken whores.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, you are misunderstanding the quote, both from a literal analysis of the statement, and in context with their support for blocking a bill that would reduce outsourcing.

    The situation is already worse! We do not have enough jobs for our people because we continue to provide incentives for companies to move jobs overseas.

    It may be good for the wealthy, who are only interested in their personal bottom line, but its not good for the working class who have been suffering from high unemployment for the last 5 years, or those graduating from college without jobs.
    And you think increasing taxes to operate businesses in America is not an incentive to move elsewhere? Making it easy for businesses to operate will make it easy for them to hire more people who will spend more money and keep the economy moving. Tax funded job programs cannot provide this kind of self sustaining motion.

    Also, they are not giving special tax breaks to companies that outsource, they are just not taking away tax breaks from American based companies that also have operations that are outsourced. It seems like you don't fully understand the concept here.
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