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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    No, conservatives were not OK Medicare D.

    Obama will create more debt than all who came before him, with nothing to show for it.
    Sure he does,

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 2.6 million fewer jobs, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And you were okay with 8 years of no new taxes to pay for two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program? Again, you guys act like the deficit only occurred since January 20, 2009. Get real!!!
    Well, its kind of a problem as Obama raised discretionary spending by 25%, has increased the debt by almost $5 trillion in three years, and we got nothing to show for it except one dumb-ass President.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    I don't let flights of fancy make me all skeered. I prefer to let other countries choose what they determine to be freedom. Glad to see we are beginning to pull support from regimes that oppress people.
    No problem. You choose not to see.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, let's see...

    - Expedite U.S. pattents in order to promote new products and spur domestic manufacturing. Two important components to improve GDP could come out of this: consumption and exports....check.

    - trade deals with India, Korea and South America: Increased manufacturing and again exports...check.
    So let's just pass those parts.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    So, instead of keeping our cities streets safe from crime - because as we all know once the economy begins to faulter, the crime rate esculates - you'd rather not provide the States any aid to keep cops on the beat?

    Look, I totally understand your point and Conservative's on this "State's rights" matter, but if the states are just barely starting to get their financial houses in order, why would you be opposed providing them with the financial aid they need to continue to protect and serve the public's interest?

    As for the call to cut spending, I'd say trimming an initial $1.5T over 10-years is a damned good start; and the President has asked for more...upwards of another $3.5T. You can find the President's Deficit Reduction Plan at Whitehouse.gov.
    If I steal $100 from you, and then give you back $50, are you going to be grateful to me for being so generous as to have given you that $50?

    Keep in mind that government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone.

    Rather than giving money to the states for specific purposes, it would be better if the federal government didn't take that money from them in the first place. Rather than me giving you $50, wouldn't you much prefer that I not take the $100 from you?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If I steal $100 from you, and then give you back $50, are you going to be grateful to me for being so generous as to have given you that $50?

    Keep in mind that government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone.

    Rather than giving money to the states for specific purposes, it would be better if the federal government didn't take that money from them in the first place. Rather than me giving you $50, wouldn't you much prefer that I not take the $100 from you?
    So, lets run over your logic here. First you compared taxes to stealing, great choice of words. Then you proceeded to say that they aren't offering a service for the money you put in. Instead of said service, you proposed that they just give you some of your money back.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So, lets run over your logic here. First you compared taxes to stealing, great choice of words. Then you proceeded to say that they aren't offering a service for the money you put in. Instead of said service, you proposed that they just give you some of your money back.
    Spoken like a true big govt. liberal/socialist. Name for me one socialist country that has been successful and where you have as many opportunities as you have here? what I find interesting is that you don't seem to understand the fact that we have local and state governments in addition to the Federal Govt. All levels of govt. are funded by tax dollars so when our tax dollars are sent to the Federal Govt. that is less money to the state and local governments where social problems are to be solved. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a local problem in your community? That is why there is such waste, fraud, and abuse at the Federal level because of people like demanding a larger role by the Federal Govt. in local issues.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true big govt. liberal/socialist. Name for me one socialist country that has been successful and where you have as many opportunities as you have here? what I find interesting is that you don't seem to understand the fact that we have local and state governments in addition to the Federal Govt. All levels of govt. are funded by tax dollars so when our tax dollars are sent to the Federal Govt. that is less money to the state and local governments where social problems are to be solved. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a local problem in your community? That is why there is such waste, fraud, and abuse at the Federal level because of people like demanding a larger role by the Federal Govt. in local issues.
    The 18 Countries With a Better Credit Rating Than the United States | The Gateway Pundit

    What does almost every country with a better credit rating then you have in common?

    Universal Health Care for it's citizens.

    More efficient and less expensive social safety nets for it's citizens...

    And a generally more equitable society. And believe it or not even in these "Socialist" countries they still have very rich people, and still have very poor people.

    And of course you're going to start blaming the loss of the AAA status on Obama only, and while he does share some of the blame Republicans also have their fair share.

    A more equitable society leads to more prosperity and a more stable economy and society. The answer isn't big government or small government it's effective government.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    The 18 Countries With a Better Credit Rating Than the United States | The Gateway Pundit

    What does almost every country with a better credit rating then you have in common?

    Universal Health Care for it's citizens.

    More efficient and less expensive social safety nets for it's citizens...

    And a generally more equitable society. And believe it or not even in these "Socialist" countries they still have very rich people, and still have very poor people.

    And of course you're going to start blaming the loss of the AAA status on Obama only, and while he does share some of the blame Republicans also have their fair share.

    A more equitable society leads to more prosperity and a more stable economy and society. The answer isn't big government or small government it's effective government.
    LOL, ok, so National Healthcare makes these countries better than the U.S? Which of those countries has the geography, the fifty sovereign states, 310 million people, and the opportunities that this country has? This country wasn't built on the principles of those countries and most of those countries are having serious financial problems worse than the United States because they are more dependent on govt. services.

    I love how liberals like you always see the grass greener on the other side.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, ok, so National Healthcare makes these countries better than the U.S? Which of those countries has the geography, the fifty sovereign states, 310 million people, and the opportunities that this country has? This country wasn't built on the principles of those countries and most of those countries are having serious financial problems worse than the United States because they are more dependent on govt. services.

    I love how liberals like you always see the grass greener on the other side.
    North America - 32 people per square mile
    South America - 73 people per square mile
    Europe - 134 people per square mile (Some of these countries have universal healthcare, see Italy, they also have a 7.9 unemployment rate)
    Asia - 203 people per square mile
    Africa - 65 people per square mile
    Australia - 6.4 people per square mile

    Source:
    Population Density

    Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Italy has a public health care service for all the residents called "Servizio Sanitario Nazionale" or SSN (National Health Service) which is similar to the UK National Health Service. It is publicly run and funded mostly from taxation: some services requires small co-pays, while other services (like the emergency medicine and the general doctor) are completely free of charge. Like the UK, there is a small parallel private health care system, especially in the field of Dental Medicine.

    www.google.com/publicdataSource: Eurostat
    7.9% of the labour force - Seasonally adjusted data - Aug 2011

    If you would like more countries...

    Oh look, they also have higher taxes on the rich % wise...

    23% 0 - 15,000
    27% 15,001-28,000
    38% 28,001-55,00
    41% 55,001-75,000
    43% 75,001 and over
    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/italy/italy_tax.asp
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