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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post

    This is one of those conservative canards that just won't die no matter how many times you point out it's falsity -- like "Al Gore claims he invented the internet."
    Well I don't see any Conservatives proving it was a "promise" and not an estimate so you must be right.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    From Politico Fact Check:

    "First, we could find no instance of anyone in the administration directly making such a public pledge. Rather, it comes via a Jan. 9, 2009, report called "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan" from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president's top economic adviser.

    Their report projected that the stimulus plan proposed by Obama would create 3 million to 4 million jobs by the end of 2010. The report also included a chart predicting unemployment rates with and without the stimulus. Without the stimulus (the baseline), unemployment was projected to hit about 8.5 percent in 2009 and then continue rising to a peak of about 9 percent in 2010. With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009.

    As Will rightly noted, it went higher. The unemployment rate peaked around 10 percent in late 2009 and is now around 9.5 percent. And Will is also right that the cost of the stimulus rose dramatically.

    But what we saw from the administration in January 2009 was a projection, not a promise. And it was a projection that came with heavy disclaimers."

    With that said, I wish we had got something for just short of a trillion dollars.

    How about solar panels on all homes? How many solar panels and jobs are created for a trillion dollars?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    Democrats run the Senate; you're being ridiculous.
    And without 60 Democrats in the Senate, exactly how are they to get bills passed that Republicans filibuster? The bill had enough Democrats voting for it to pass. Passage was blocked by Republicans, the party of "no," that doesn't want economic relief to come until Obama is out of office.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post

    ... With that said, I wish we had got something for just short of a trillion dollars.

    How about solar panels on all homes? How many solar panels and jobs are created for a trillion dollars?
    At least the near trillion dollars was spent in the U.S.. What did we get for the trillion+ dollars we spent invading Iraq to hunt for WMD that weren't there?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And without 60 Democrats in the Senate, exactly how are they to get bills passed that Republicans filibuster? The bill had enough Democrats voting for it to pass. Passage was blocked by Republicans, the party of "no," that doesn't want economic relief to come until Obama is out of office.
    Did 100% of the Dems vote for it? How supportive was Reid? The Dems know this is a POS because it raises taxes and some of these Dems Senators are up for reelection.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    Did 100% of the Dems vote for it?
    Why on Earth would that matter? All but 3 did. Even if those three voted for it, it still wouldn't have defeated the Republicans' filibuster. But more importantly, 50 Democrats voted for cloture, meaning the bill would have passed had it not been blocked by Republcan's.

    There's no way you can pin the blockage of this jobs bill on Democrats. Your point is rendered as the red-herring it was intended to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    How supportive was Reid? The Dems know this is a POS because it raises taxes and some of these Dems Senators are up for reelection.
    Apparently not very. But that's irrelevant since the bill would have passed anyway even without his vote.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I asked to see where a promise was made, not where Romer regrets saying it.

    I don't see a promise there ... What I do see Christina Romer saying in the report she published:



    "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error. There is the obvious uncertainty that comes from modeling a hypothetical package rather than the final legislation passed by the Congress. But, there is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity." ~ Christina Romer


    That's not a promise ... that's an estimate.
    LOL, no, you just want to bitch.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Why on Earth would that matter? All but 3 did. Even if those three voted for it, it still wouldn't have defeated the Republicans' filibuster. But more importantly, 50 Democrats voted for cloture, meaning the bill would have passed had it not been blocked by Republcan's.

    There's no way you can pin the blockage of this jobs bill on Democrats. Your point is rendered as the red-herring it was intended to be.



    Apparently not very. But that's irrelevant since the bill would have passed anyway even without his vote.
    You can give both the Dems (the smart one any way) and the Repubs shared credit for doing the right thing and blocking the bill.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post

    You can give both the Dems (the smart one any way) and the Repubs shared credit for doing the right thing and blocking the bill.
    Really? Who do you think initiated the filibuster?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    LOL, no, you just want to bitch.
    I didn't realize asking people to prove what they claim is "bitching." Thanks for the tip anyway.

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