Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:
These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.
Sorry, Liblady, but I confuse you with facts, facts that make you made but are verifiable. Single minded poster? Hardly, but I am results oriented and results matter more than rhetoric. It would give you more credibility if you took the results cited and prove those results wrong? The prescription for the economy is what Reagan did as the recessions were very similar but the difference is Reagan added 17 million jobs with a 1.7 trillion debt and Obama has a net job loss with 4.2 trillion added to the debt. Reagan had a net job gain at the end of three years in office whereas Obama has a net job loss. That is reality why are you ignoring that reality?
Look, I'm not going to continue arguing Senate procedures with you. The bill didn't pass because 2 Dems and every Republican Senator voted against it. End of story for passing the bill out of the Senate in its full text form. I'll wait and see how Congress and the House in particular handles things from here.
Which is a fancy way of for saying, "Let's have a procedural vote on the proposed legislation without debating on it and see whose willing to take up the matter now or not at all."McConnell tried to get Reid to bring a straight up majority vote on the bill, but Reid refused for two reasons:
1. He knew he didn't have 50 votes for it.
2. He wanted a campaign issue.
They didn't vote on the bill, they voted on cloture....
I'm sure you mean "50 solid votes in favor of the bill itself" because Reid did get 50 Senate Democrats to vote to take up the bill; Republicans simply voted in lock-step against it. But you keep on trying to convince yourself and others that this Senate measure had no Democrat support...keep telling yourself that. I'm sure in your own mind it's very true.And like I said, two more publicly stated they would vote against it if it came up for a vote, but were willing to have it debated. If he had 50 Dems that would vote for it, he could have had his vote and passed the bill. He didn't.
“I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.
Two more Dems, Minchin of West Virginia and Webb of Virginia, along with Independent Joe Lieberman, voted to bring the bill to the floor but said they would vote against it.
The bill never had a chance because Dems were not united behind it.
Look, I totally understand your point and Conservative's on this "State's rights" matter, but if the states are just barely starting to get their financial houses in order, why would you be opposed providing them with the financial aid they need to continue to protect and serve the public's interest?
As for the call to cut spending, I'd say trimming an initial $1.5T over 10-years is a damned good start; and the President has asked for more...upwards of another $3.5T. You can find the President's Deficit Reduction Plan at Whitehouse.gov.