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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why won't it work? 9% FIT, 9% sales tax, 9% Corporate taxes?
    You do know it would mean Texas would start paying a sales tax, right? Where the state currently pays "ZERO (0)...zip...NAHDAH" state sales.

    Do you really think Gov. Perry - in a bid for the 2012 Presidency - would allow this to go unchallenged?

    Do you really think any governor whose state does have a sales tax, especially a conservative Republican governor, would back Cain knowing that their taxes would increase?

    Do you really think any governor whose state doesn't have a sales tax would allow their state's tax policy to be hijacked by the Fed?

    Think about what you're saying, man!
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Are you serious? Do you really think Sen. McConnel and the rest of the Senate GOP would have gone for that and accepted a straight-up majority vote? We ARE talking about the U.S. Senate after all - the most difficult chamber of Congress to get any legislation through.
    Yes, I'm quite serious.............

    Well, today on the floor of the United States Senate, Kentucky’s senior senator, Mitch McConnell, called Obama’s bluff. Lifting a copy of the AJA in his hand, the Republican Minority Leader offered to introduce the proposal and call for a vote:

    Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid immediately blocked McConnell’s attempt to introduce President Obama’s jobs proposal. Reid said he would bring up the jobs bill later this month — promising a vote in October. "Right away is a relative term," he said.
    Mitch McConnell calls Obama

    McConnell and Reid both knew that Dems wouldn't vote for the bill as proposed by Obama. Reid and the rest of the Dems wanted a "NO" vote from the Republicans so they could use it during the campaign.

    • "The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -- Alexis de Tocqueville





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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Objective Voice;1059879355]You know, even Jeb Bush said recently in an interview w/Piers Morgan that he believed the President was doing the right thing concerning his focus on improving education in this country. If you're pushing to change the education system, why wouldn't you push to protect jobs for teachers?
    That isn't the role of the Federal Govt. as that is a state responsibility. You want a massive central govt? Then do away with the states!

    Crime has been on the rise since the economy has stagnated a few months ago. Wouldn't you think it's smart to keep police on the job?
    Again, that is a state responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. Stop buying what you are being fed. Once the temporary stimulus money runs out who picks up the bill?

    Put simply, Stimulus 1 helped keep teachers, police and firefighters on the job because the States couldn't afford to. I see nothing wrong with providing more short-term federal funding - Stimulus 2 - to do the same while also providing incentives for State and federal governments to form public-private partnerships to spur job growth and prop up local/state economies. Think of it this way...
    Since stimulus ONE over 2 million jobs have been lost so nothing was accomplished other than adding 4.2 trillion to the debt. Again, what happens when the funding runs out?

    States, especially those with Republican Governors and GOP majority legislatures, have worked hard to bring their budgets into balance and reduce waste, etc., etc. If they're finally getting their spending on track but just need alittle bit more of a cushion, why not provide that push at the federal level? It worked once for teachers, firefighters and police to keep them employed, why shouldn't it work again?
    Since Republican Governors are doing what they were elected to do, when will Obama do what he was supposed to do. State responsibility seems to be a foreign term to you.

    You do realize that the President's Jobs Plan and his Deficit Reduction Plan are two separate proposals purposely designed to work together?
    Please show me the specifics of the President's deficit reduction plan and what is the base that plan uses?

    The Jobs Plan is intended to spur short-term economic growth while other legislation, such as trade agreements and expediting pattents, are intended for long-term economic stability.
    What was the purpose of Stimulus 1 and when will you hold Obama responsible for its failure?

    Sidenote: Just heard Rush lie about the Senate vote on the President's Jobs Plan. He said the Dems on gained 50 votes which is true. However, he falsely claimed that the Dems could have passed the bill all by themselves. How is that possible when there are only 52 Democrats in the Senate?
    Probably the same way you expected Bush to keep us out of recession with Democrat total control of Congress from 2007-2008 and expected Republicans to generate positive results with Obama and Congress under Democrat control 2009-2010.

    He's also now claiming that the Occupy movement was "created by Liberals". Interesting, since I attended a local Occupy rally over the weekend and met folks who were both Democrats and Republicans - same political mix alleged by the Tea Party. Nice try, Rush. Not everyone is fooled by your and misinformation.
    Spin? What is the goal of OWS and why aren't they protesting Congress and the WH? The entire purpose of the radicals is to destroy what made this country great, capitalism.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I thought you were against class warfare?
    What is class warfare in expecting everyone to pay their fair share? My definition of fair share is everyone paying the same rate.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You want more revenue to the govt, then support 90 million Americans paying at least something in FIT. Why don't you show us the math that generates those higher numbers
    Critics of the 9-9-9 plan say that its negative microeconomic effects -- that is, the potential burden on low-income Americans -- would outweigh any benefits for the economy as a whole.
    (Read the rest at Herman Cain's 999 Plan: Will It Work? Experts Speak Out - International Business Times) While I only pointed out the bad side of the plan, the criticism of it encompasses the good side. It is saying that the good it would produce would be WAY outweighed by the bad. It would put to much of a burden on those who already have nothing.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    (Read the rest at Herman Cain's 999 Plan: Will It Work? Experts Speak Out - International Business Times) While I only pointed out the bad side of the plan, the criticism of it encompasses the good side. It is saying that the good it would produce would be WAY outweighed by the bad. It would put to much of a burden on those who already have nothing.
    It is a start and simplification of the tax code fools people like you. You seem to be an expert on those without anything. Where do you get your data?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is a start and simplification of the tax code fools people like you. You seem to be an expert on those without anything. Where do you get your data?
    Oh, right, you must've never worked and lived on 12k a year (in our current economy) trying to scrape by. If you even taxed me then $10.00 a month I would of missed meals, which I was hardly eating anyways.
    It's almost like you think being poor is some lavish lifestyle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is a start and simplification of the tax code fools people like you. You seem to be an expert on those without anything. Where do you get your data?
    I can't believe conservatives can get behind a 9% consumption tax. So... weird.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Oh, right, you must've never worked and lived on 12k a year (in our current economy) trying to scrape by. If you even taxed me then $10.00 a month I would of missed meals, which I was hardly eating anyways.
    It's almost like you think being poor is some lavish lifestyle...
    I had a Father that worked for .50 a day and there were many years that he worked for 12K per year. He worked hard, took risk and raised two very productive kids. I find your ignorance of personal responsibility, capitalism, and the role of the Federal govt. staggering.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I can't believe conservatives can get behind a 9% consumption tax. So... weird.
    I actually prefer a flat tax and significant reduction of the size of Govt. down to about 1.5 trillion a year.

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