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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not perfect - but it would certainly work better than what we are saddled with currently.
    If you do the math it increases the average households taxes by $5,000 a year (public radio was debating this whole thing this morning). Also, right now, we don't have a tax on the poor, this would tax the poor. Not perfect, I would call that insane. Not to mention it lowers the taxes on the rich by a CRAZY amount.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not perfect - but it would certainly work better than what we are saddled with currently.
    I'd have to agree. "Simple" has never been used with "taxes" in this country except possibly during it's very earliest years. The progressive tax code is rampant with loopholes, benefits and ways to game the system for the rich. That would go away, so I'm surprised that the liberals are not in support of closing all of that. Second, this removes the requirement for an IRS, Tax Lawyers and CPA's who make a living off of tax season. Third, it actually DOES level the playing field which is what the liberal left has been asking for - but which hasn't been honest. Now that the playing field is actually going to be leveled, we see the class warfare supporters not liking it.

    I find that hypocrisy wonderful. Any time someone, anyone of any political background says "level the playing field" and "tax the rich more" in the same thought process, they are lying. That lie is evident in this thread - it's not about leveling the playing field, it's about taxing those with more for the sole reason they have more, to provide for those who do not, or are unwilling.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you think this Job's bill is going to do the job when the last one failed miserably? Obama had overwhelming numbers his first two years, much more than Bush ever had during his term yet Bush gets blame and Obama never is held accountable for the poor results. Obama even had a filibuster proof Congress part of his first two years something Obama supporters forget.

    As for the job's bill please tell me after the funding runs out for state jobs, teachers, fire fighters, and police where does the money come from to keep paying these workers? Liberals always buy what Obama tells them yet with 4.2 trillion added to the debt in 3 years we have a net job loss of 2.6 million. Keep buying the rhetoric, liberals. Amazing what the cost of brainwashing gets these days.
    You know, even Jeb Bush said recently in an interview w/Piers Morgan that he believed the President was doing the right thing concerning his focus on improving education in this country. If you're pushing to change the education system, why wouldn't you push to protect jobs for teachers?

    Crime has been on the rise since the economy has stagnated a few months ago. Wouldn't you think it's smart to keep police on the job?

    Put simply, Stimulus 1 helped keep teachers, police and firefighters on the job because the States couldn't afford to. I see nothing wrong with providing more short-term federal funding - Stimulus 2 - to do the same while also providing incentives for State and federal governments to form public-private partnerships to spur job growth and prop up local/state economies. Think of it this way...

    States, especially those with Republican Governors and GOP majority legislatures, have worked hard to bring their budgets into balance and reduce waste, etc., etc. If they're finally getting their spending on track but just need alittle bit more of a cushion, why not provide that push at the federal level? It worked once for teachers, firefighters and police to keep them employed, why shouldn't it work again?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Because it did nothing for the deficit. Nothing is going to pass that doesn't in some way address the deficit.
    You do realize that the President's Jobs Plan and his Deficit Reduction Plan are two separate proposals purposely designed to work together?

    The Jobs Plan is intended to spur short-term economic growth while other legislation, such as trade agreements and expediting pattents, are intended for long-term economic stability.

    Sidenote: Just heard Rush lie about the Senate vote on the President's Jobs Plan. He said the Dems on gained 50 votes which is true. However, he falsely claimed that the Dems could have passed the bill all by themselves. How is that possible when there are only 52 Democrats in the Senate?

    He's also now claiming that the Occupy movement was "created by Liberals". Interesting, since I attended a local Occupy rally over the weekend and met folks who were both Democrats and Republicans - same political mix alleged by the Tea Party. Nice try, Rush. Not everyone is fooled by your and misinformation.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    Sidenote: Just heard Rush lie about the Senate vote on the President's Jobs Plan. He said the Dems on gained 50 votes which is true. However, he falsely claimed that the Dems could have passed the bill all by themselves. How is that possible when there are only 52 Democrats in the Senate?
    Rush is correct. Democrats could have invoked the "nuclear option" that only requires a majority vote.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't have to be a liberal to see that Cain's 999 tax plan would be bad for the country.

    See below:
    Liberalism is bad for the country yet you claim to be one. I prefer the 9-9-9 plan to tax the rich and redistribute wealth. What is it about 90 million Americans that aren't paying any or paying very little in FIT don't you understand? What is it about actual results that you don't understand? Still waiting for what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You can't honestly think the 999 plan would work do you? Talk about class warfare then that is it.
    Why won't it work? 9% FIT, 9% sales tax, 9% Corporate taxes?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Liberalism is bad for the country yet you claim to be one. I prefer the 9-9-9 plan to tax the rich and redistribute wealth. What is it about 90 million Americans that aren't paying any or paying very little in FIT don't you understand? What is it about actual results that you don't understand? Still waiting for what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
    I thought you were against class warfare?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your article doesn't even mention the American Jobs Act. Do you have anything to contribute on topic at all???
    The American Jobs Act didn't pass and is nothing more than Stimulus 2 which failed. The article shows the actual results for Obama, do you have any comments on the actual results?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If you do the math it increases the average households taxes by $5,000 a year (public radio was debating this whole thing this morning). Also, right now, we don't have a tax on the poor, this would tax the poor. Not perfect, I would call that insane. Not to mention it lowers the taxes on the rich by a CRAZY amount.
    You want more revenue to the govt, then support 90 million Americans paying at least something in FIT. Why don't you show us the math that generates those higher numbers

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Rush is correct. Democrats could have invoked the "nuclear option" that only requires a majority vote.
    Are you serious? Do you really think Sen. McConnel and the rest of the Senate GOP would have gone for that and accepted a straight-up majority vote? We ARE talking about the U.S. Senate after all - the most difficult chamber of Congress to get any legislation through.

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