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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you know what GDP is? What is really important about GDP and when you figure that out wonder if you can also then figure out why GDP adjusted for inflation is really irrelevant except to make one side or the other feel good. Get back to me with the answer. Unemployment percentages? What does that serve? Think a 9.1% unemployment on a labor force of 154 million is better than a 10% unemployment rate on a labor force of 100 million? You really need to think before buying the rhetoric you are being told.

    I asked you to explain the context to me for the Obama results as well as the numbers you have posted? What relevance are they for today?
    Yes, Gross Domestic Product is a very easy number to understand. You're really going to argue with every economist that ever existed about the concept of adjusting for inflation? Really? Why? It doesn't even make your numbers any better anyway, so why continue this torturous task of explaining every little math detail to you.

    The Importance Of Inflation And GDP
    Real gross domestic product
    U.S. Real GDP vs. Nominal GDP (1929-2003)

    Read up, or do something, because this is getting ridiculous. This is like 20 pages of me explaining economic 101 theory to you. That's not book smarts, that's just having-a-brain-and-reading-a-book smarts.

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    9% unemployment on 200,000 and 2,000,000 is the same. Do no you not get that concept? It's called a "ratio". I believe we learned those first in like 6th or 7th grade - I can't recall. Ratios are used when comparing numbers that fluctuate over time. As I showed, Obama has not had as much time to turn the economy around as Reagan - unemployment wise.

    Are you willing to show when Reagan's policies came into effect, how long it took them to work, and what that number was when you were satisfied? Then, are you willing to show when Obama's policies went into effect and what you think is an acceptable amount of time to wait and what level is acceptable as well?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Reagan's unemployment rate


    1981-01-01 7.5 1981-02-01 7.4 1981-03-01 7.4 1981-04-01 7.2 1981-05-01 7.5 1981-06-01 7.5 1981-07-01 7.2 1981-08-01 7.4 1981-09-01 7.6 1981-10-01 7.9 1981-11-01 8.3 1981-12-01 8.5 1982-01-01 8.6 1982-02-01 8.9 1982-03-01 9.0 1982-04-01 9.3 1982-05-01 9.4 1982-06-01 9.6 1982-07-01 9.8 1982-08-01 9.8 1982-09-01 10.1 1982-10-01 10.4 1982-11-01 10.8 1982-12-01 10.8 1983-01-01 10.4 1983-02-01 10.4 1983-03-01 10.3 1983-04-01 10.2 1983-05-01 10.1 1983-06-01 10.1 1983-07-01 9.4 1983-08-01 9.5 1983-09-01 9.2 1983-10-01 8.8

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt
    17 million jobs created most after the recession ended in November 1982. Do you have a point? When was the Reagan economic policy passed? When was Obama's?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Then WTF were you?
    A District Manager with total responsibility for the operations including budget, hiring and firing, sales and marketing, everything that you apparently don't understand

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    So in summary, Bush ruined the economy with his tax cuts and the invasion of a foreign country. He also stole his presidency and deserves indictment. Two can play at this game...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    A District Manager with total responsibility for the operations including budget, hiring and firing, sales and marketing, everything that you apparently don't understand
    And I don't think anyone is arguing with you about the best way to run a district in whatever business it happened to be in. The day that happens, you can pull seniority. Ok, bud? Cool.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, Gross Domestic Product is a very easy number to understand. You're really going to argue with every economist that ever existed about the concept of adjusting for inflation? Really? Why? It doesn't even make your numbers any better anyway, so why continue this torturous task of explaining every little math detail to you.

    The Importance Of Inflation And GDP
    Real gross domestic product
    U.S. Real GDP vs. Nominal GDP (1929-2003)

    Read up, or do something, because this is getting ridiculous. This is like 20 pages of me explaining economic 101 theory to you. That's not book smarts, that's just having-a-brain-and-reading-a-book smarts.

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    9% unemployment on 200,000 and 2,000,000 is the same. Do no you not get that concept? It's called a "ratio". I believe we learned those first in like 6th or 7th grade - I can't recall. Ratios are used when comparing numbers that fluctuate over time. As I showed, Obama has not had as much time to turn the economy around as Reagan - unemployment wise.

    Are you willing to show when Reagan's policies came into effect, how long it took them to work, and what that number was when you were satisfied? Then, are you willing to show when Obama's policies went into effect and what you think is an acceptable amount of time to wait and what level is acceptable as well?

    Thanks.
    The 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans will be happy to hear that they are just a ratio and that things are so much better 2 3/4 years after Obama took office. You going to tell me when the Reagan, Bush, and Obama economic policies were passed?

    Guess it is easier for people like you to talk about numbers, ratios, etc because there are no faces to those numbers, the real faces are the ones being hurt by liberalism and the failure of Obama

    9% of 200,000=18,000 People
    9% of 2 million=180,000 People

    This is why you have no credibility, ratio doesn't matter to real people and thus why liberals have no credibility. They have fake compassion.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Maybe cherry-picking but again you were the one that posted 'Yes, it was the Republican's fault'. But the article SPECIFICALLY stated 'To be sure, S&P didn’t specifically single out Republicans'.

    This discussion began by trying to refute information posted by Conservative. I asked for your sources which you provided. I read the one from NR after the site came back online. Once read it APPEARS to conflict with YOUR STATEMENT SPECIFICALLY. It DOES NOT STATE WHAT YOU CLAIM BUT RATHER REFUTES IT. Of course I can be wrong. Please post the portion of this article that clearly states, as you claim, 'it is the Republican's fault'.

    Thanks.
    It didn't refute me at all. It definitely said 'To be sure, S&P didn’t specifically single out Republicans' which you misinterpret as them saying it wasn't the republican's fault. The 'To be sure, S&P didn’t specifically single out Republicans' was just to say "we at the S&P didn't actually say their name but here is the partisan stuff that happened that made our decision for us" and it just so happens it was Republican partisan stuff. You are reaching so far to make something that isn't that your arm is going to fall off.

    Instead of being lazy and sitting back and throwing stones how about fronting your perspective of what the S&P downgrade was about. What was the main reason?

    Here is what was in the article you are now saying refutes me:

    S&P was remarkably blunt that its downgrade was mostly about heightened political risks: “The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed,” it said.
    but but but... we didn't SAY the name Republican... lol
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    And I don't think anyone is arguing with you about the best way to run a district in whatever business it happened to be in. The day that happens, you can pull seniority. Ok, bud? Cool.
    that District was made up of people and my decisions affected each and every one of them. No difference with Obama, Reagan, and Bush as their policies affect actual people, not numbers and that is what matters. Reagan and Bush had positive results two years after the end of each recession that they had meaning they had better numbers than when they took office vs Obama who has worse numbers two years after the end of the recession than the day they took office. That is reality and that reality is more people are being hurt today than were hurt over 2 year after the end of the recession during Reagan and Bush terms

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So in summary, Bush ruined the economy with his tax cuts and the invasion of a foreign country. He also stole his presidency and deserves indictment. Two can play at this game...
    How did the Bush tax cuts hurt your parents who are probably paying your college expenses? What an idiotic statement but one based upon your own personal opinion not fact

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How did the Bush tax cuts hurt your parents who are probably paying your college expenses? What an idiotic statement but one based upon your own personal opinion not fact
    Do you not see a problem with starting a war and lowering taxes?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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