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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    i don't see how that is possible. Interest rates and inflation are at historical lows - so you aren't getting waxed when you take out a loan and housing prices couldn't get any better if they tried.. Food and gas prices have gone up, but i don't see how you could possibly be blaming obama for that.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Look guy, it's a style of economics that many economists happen to agree with (dare I say most?). It involves spending more and cutting taxes during recessions, while spending less and raising taxes during booms. Unfortunately, we lowered taxes and spent a lot during our boom, so Obama doesn't have as much as he should to work with, but spending more now will help us end the recession faster - thereby allowing us to raise taxes, cut spending, and reduce the deficit properly in the near future. If Obama were to receive a second term (or whoever gets office actually), that should be the next move once the economy gets back to full strength.

    If you disagree with this method, perhaps you should study economics, get a PhD, and discover a better way.
    Ah economists, the educated elite with their facts and knowledge of financial history....................... Are you going to believe economists and the majority of Americans, or are you going to believe those that represent the people that own most of the wealth in the country?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Look guy, it's a style of economics that many economists happen to agree with (dare I say most?). It involves spending more and cutting taxes during recessions, while spending less and raising taxes during booms. Unfortunately, we lowered taxes and spent a lot during our boom, so Obama doesn't have as much as he should to work with, but spending more now will help us end the recession faster - thereby allowing us to raise taxes, cut spending, and reduce the deficit properly in the near future. If Obama were to receive a second term (or whoever gets office actually), that should be the next move once the economy gets back to full strength.

    If you disagree with this method, perhaps you should study economics, get a PhD, and discover a better way.
    Taking water out of the same bucket and putting it back into that same bucket does not solve anything. How do you spend more but cut your income at the same time to improve your situation when there is not enough money to cover the current spending? You have to borrow, and borrowed money has to be paid back. You don't need a PhD to figure that out, you need middle school math skills.

    Why do we need to raise taxes after we cut spending if cutting taxes to raise spending is the solution during the first phase of the problem per your explanation?

    If I run into hardship in my life, I don't cut my income and increase my spending. I adjust my living to meet my financial situation. Whether you like it or not, that is the only way we can really stabilize our economy in the long term even if that means making sacrifices in the mean time.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    Taking water out of the same bucket and putting it back into that same bucket does not solve anything. How do you spend more but cut your income at the same time to improve your situation when there is not enough money to cover the current spending? You have to borrow, and borrowed money has to be paid back. You don't need a PhD to figure that out, you need middle school math skills.

    Why do we need to raise taxes after we cut spending if cutting taxes to raise spending is the solution during the first phase of the problem per your explanation?

    If I run into hardship in my life, I don't cut my income and increase my spending. I adjust my living to meet my financial situation. Whether you like it or not, that is the only way we can really stabilize our economy in the long term even if that means making sacrifices in the mean time.
    I think you are confused. You think you are arguing with me, but what you are arguing with is the general consensus of economic theory. I am not sure where you are getting mixed up, but under the theory, Obama has not handled this recession wrong, but rather, Congress and Bush did by spending too much and lowering taxes too far during good economic times.

    Can you at least go read about Keynesian economic theory and try to understand it before you argue against it? So, just to recap, I am using economic theory to back my argument up, and you are using... well, nothing.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    Taking water out of the same bucket and putting it back into that same bucket does not solve anything. How do you spend more but cut your income at the same time to improve your situation when there is not enough money to cover the current spending? You have to borrow, and borrowed money has to be paid back. You don't need a PhD to figure that out, you need middle school math skills.

    Why do we need to raise taxes after we cut spending if cutting taxes to raise spending is the solution during the first phase of the problem per your explanation?

    If I run into hardship in my life, I don't cut my income and increase my spending. I adjust my living to meet my financial situation. Whether you like it or not, that is the only way we can really stabilize our economy in the long term even if that means making sacrifices in the mean time.
    Macro economics =/= micro economics so doing comparisons on how you would spend your personal money in whatever times you are in does not equate to good policy making when you run an economy that has boatloads of subeconomies running underneath it. The idea of keynesian economics is that in tough times you prime the pump of the sub-economies with spending that will, in the long run, then stabilize and kick-back revenue that they otherwise wouldn't be able to if the sub-economies died out or went under.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't see how that is possible. Interest rates and inflation are at historical lows - so you aren't getting waxed when you take out a loan and housing prices couldn't get any better if they tried.. Food and gas prices have gone up, but I don't see how you could possibly be blaming Obama for that.

    Where do you get your information?
    The constant reduction in interest rates has not made any significant improvement to our economy, and whereas house prices may be low, that does not benefit the people that are trying to sell them that are stuck with loans they already have that still have balances higher than their houses are worth. It counter-balances and has no positive effect.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    The constant reduction in interest rates has not made any significant improvement to our economy, and whereas house prices may be low, that does not benefit the people that are trying to sell them that are stuck with loans they already have that still have balances higher than their houses are worth. It counter-balances and has no positive effect.
    Weird, I thought we were arguing about the power of the dollar, not whether some people are stuck in upside-down loans. Oh wait, that's called a straw man. It's always the same argument with you people: "Obama screwed this up, Obama screwed that up", meanwhile, no actual data is used to back up the claim, and if it is, the data is completely out of context. Meanwhile, no better alternative solution is ever proposed.

    I guess what I am saying is, you were wrong about Obama growing the economy and you were wrong about the strength of the US dollar, so what is your point?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    The constant reduction in interest rates has not made any significant improvement to our economy, and whereas house prices may be low, that does not benefit the people that are trying to sell them that are stuck with loans they already have that still have balances higher than their houses are worth. It counter-balances and has no positive effect.
    Exactly why I think the bank bailout funding should have gone to loan forgiveness at the amount the banks received from the government. That would have kept foreclosures low and property values stable and helped people to keep making new spending in the economy rather than having to use all their money to dig themselves out which doesn't help the economy like new spending would.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you have any understanding of what happens when the US president (Carter, in this case) withdraw's support from an ally? We get an Iranian hostage crisis and Islamofascism. Who was the president?

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    Wow. Way to completely screw that up. You totally fail to recognize that the Shah's time was coming to a close. The only way we'd be able to keep the Shah in power would be to enact a secret police similar to the Gestapo. The rumblings of revolution were coming and coming hard. So unless you were for Carter making the Shah one of the worst dictators in world history, shut your trap.

    It's amazing people like you think you can talk about very complex subjects on the grounds on a singular event that ignores decades of history prior to the event.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Wow. Way to completely screw that up. You totally fail to recognize that the Shah's time was coming to a close. The only way we'd be able to keep the Shah in power would be to enact a secret police similar to the Gestapo. The rumblings of revolution were coming and coming hard. So unless you were for Carter making the Shah one of the worst dictators in world history, shut your trap.

    It's amazing people like you think you can talk about very complex subjects on the grounds on a singular event that ignores decades of history prior to the event.
    The Shah was a nightmare already. He was an iron fist for sure on his people which is why there was a revolution there. But you're right. Dude doesn't have any concept of the background of that crisis. Shah was dying of cancer and got run out while he was seeking cancer treatment in the US. The reason they held that against the US is because we refused to hand over the Shah to the Iranians for basically... execution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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