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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well, by that I just mean keeping taxes low and deficit spending during a recession. Perhaps he should have spent more, but considering the deficit he inherited and the witch hunt he faced the day he took office, that would have been nearly impossible.
    Perhaps but FDRs deficit spending was much higher as a percentage of GDP. Obama could've done more but more importantly he could have done the spending he did more effectively. Like the bank bailout money should have been a loan forgiveness to mortgages for the amount they gave the banks. Instead we bailed out the banks for those loans AND they get to collect on the loans on top of that.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well, by that I just mean keeping taxes low and deficit spending during a recession. Perhaps he should have spent more, but considering the deficit he inherited and the witch hunt he faced the day he took office, that would have been nearly impossible.
    He did not solve anything, he simply delayed it. The solutions you are so proud of came strictly from borrowed money. Money that my children will have to pay back. Now take the deficit he inherited and the increased deficit that he created and tell me that you really believe things are better now. You are being short sighted and ignoring the long term effects of these actions.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Link to it. Being that I'm bouncing around reading various threads I honestly don't know what post you made that you are referring to.

    For Gods sake, pick something to discuss other than me and how you don't like me and/or librulz.
    For God's sake just scroll up to post 1775 and read it. If you would have not ignored it and danced around it like you did we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Do your own work Liberal.

    It is not my fault that you are bouncing around and can't keep your thoughts straight. Maybe that should be an indicator to you about how maybe you really just don't know what you are talking about.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    So what does that have to do with Obama's ability to correct and/or better the situation? He has done nothing of the sort and in fact made things worse. The increase in the GDP means nothing when it compares to the decrease in the value of our dollar.

    Obama has shown that he is clearly not willing to negotiate. He simply passes blame for his failures and then presents another half assed bill with the sole aim of winning voters and with little understanding of actually solving the real problem.
    The dollar has gotten stronger since he took office (though only by four pennies). Do you research anything or are you just making this up as you go?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    No getting all bent out of shape over an obvious joke is what is irrelevant. You don't seem to chime in when people are debating anything intelligent, yet you want to come in here ready to go to war with me over something silly? I assure you you are not equipped for battle.
    Making outrageous claims is pointless. If you look at my posts, I do, in fact, chime in when people are debating. However, "Liberals will claim its Obama's economy when it goes upward" isn't debating. That is making a statement which leaves no room for debate.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    You are very confused. Which percentage did you pay 30 years ago compared to now? How about the rich? What was your EFFECTIVE TAX RATE last year? Mine was 4.3%...Doesn't seem like I have too much to complain about in my poor middle class life being abused and opressed by all of the rich people I chose to buy things from....
    I'm happy for you but for the majority of middle class, their effective taxes have gone up over the last 30 years compared to millionaires taxes having been decreased significantly.

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    That is why the majority of Americans now feel that the tax breaks for the rich should be eliminated.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    He did not solve anything, he simply delayed it. The solutions you are so proud of came strictly from borrowed money. Money that my children will have to pay back. Now take the deficit he inherited and the increased deficit that he created and tell me that you really believe things are better now. You are being short sighted and ignoring the long term effects of these actions.
    Seeing how you won't answer my posts about policy discussion and you seem to be trying to discuss policy here, I'll try to jump in.

    I see what you are saying about debt and I agree that it is bad, but do you think it was possible to take over a recession of this depth and not spend? What, IYO, would be the economic results of that?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    He did not solve anything, he simply delayed it. The solutions you are so proud of came strictly from borrowed money. Money that my children will have to pay back. Now take the deficit he inherited and the increased deficit that he created and tell me that you really believe things are better now. You are being short sighted and ignoring the long term effects of these actions.
    Look guy, it's a style of economics that many economists happen to agree with (dare I say most?). It involves spending more and cutting taxes during recessions, while spending less and raising taxes during booms. Unfortunately, we lowered taxes and spent a lot during our boom, so Obama doesn't have as much as he should to work with, but spending more now will help us end the recession faster - thereby allowing us to raise taxes, cut spending, and reduce the deficit properly in the near future. If Obama were to receive a second term (or whoever gets office actually), that should be the next move once the economy gets back to full strength.

    If you disagree with this method, perhaps you should study economics, get a PhD, and discover a better way.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The dollar has gotten stronger since he took office (though only by four pennies). Do you research anything or are you just making this up as you go?
    But in the real world where the dollar is actually generated, it doesn't go as far. The cost of living is up, and therefore the value of the dollar as it applies to econmic growth is down.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    But in the real world where the dollar is actually generated, it doesn't go as far. The cost of living is up, and therefore the value of the dollar as it applies to econmic growth is down.
    I don't see how that is possible. Interest rates and inflation are at historical lows - so you aren't getting waxed when you take out a loan and housing prices couldn't get any better if they tried.. Food and gas prices have gone up, but I don't see how you could possibly be blaming Obama for that.

    Where do you get your information?

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