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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How are things in those utopian socialist countries? I cannot believe how naive some people are
    You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

    So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    No Conservative... No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with about answering this question: "When in the history has any country ever gotten out of a time of crisis we are in right now with jobs and a deficit by cutting taxes? Name one time in history, in country in the world?"
    It has nothing to do with if im a socialist or not..


    No i love this country...
    Is it anti American or something to be a socialist?


    What country is socialist?
    Cuba?
    China?
    USSR?
    DPRK?

    Me being a socialist Conservative has nothing to do with this question...
    Given your way and based upon socialist countries around the world, this govt. isn't spending enough on social programs such as welfare and that is your beef?

    You have a problem competing in society? Why do you have a problem with the American income earners keeping more of what they earn for that is a tax cut? Tell me why you believe a free enterprise and capitalistic economy needs a 3.7 TRILLION dollar govt? If you truly want to cut the deficit and debt then cut the damn spending, period.

    Yes it is anti American to be a socialist as that isn't the foundation upon which this country was built. Free enterpise and capitalism made this country the envy of the world so yes I do believe you hate this country probably because you cannot compete.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Come on seriously? So history is pointless...
    This is a very ignorant statement. It does matter. We learn from history...
    LOL! "We learn from history". That hasn't happened once in history, hence history repeating itself. What has happened in the past is irrelevant to the solution that corrects the future. The point of my statement, that you took out of context, is that regardless of who has ****ed up the economy in the past, Obama has only made things worse.

    Crisis's are very similar and we can learn from them..
    Yes, but they are not the same, and the people that should learn from them, simply just do not. And even if we did learn from a spcific crisis, it does not mean that the same solution applies to a different, even similar crisis. If we were to actually be learning from these situations we would not need to always be solving them.

    People are spending.
    We have a stalled economy for various other reasons.
    People are spending at a very low rate compared to 5 years ago. This is the problem. What do you feel the various other reasons are?
    Business's have record profits currently....


    Business's have record profits currently and yes they can afford employees but they just choose not to.
    Businesses could have higher profits by expanding their businesses (which would require more employeed), yet they are not doing this because the economy is unstable and it is not a very wise risk to take. Since there are all of these companies out there just collecting money and not growing to meet the demands of the growing population, what is stopping you, or any other idiot whining about jobs from starting your own company and employing these unemployed people?


    Taxes have not been raised.
    Obama passed the Bush tax cuts..
    And there is no correlation between taxes being raised and job growth/decline... History shows us that taxes have nothing to do with jobs being created/destoryed.
    There is however a correlation between people having more money in their pockets and how much they spend. As the cost of living increases, people will spend less on other items. Period. If we do not get government spending under control and stop wasting hard earned Amercan money, the economy WILL improve.


    May i ask what time in history did this happen?
    Oh yea history apparently is pointless...
    Please, by all means tell us what history has taught us. You seem to keep coming up with all sorts of things that "don't work" yet you don't seem to have no idea what does work with all of this knowledge you have gained throughout history.



    Roll your eyes all you want back into that rotten squash you have in there, that does not change the fact that what I said is true.
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    What is the point of anything you are saying here anyways? The point of this thread is that Obama's job plan is a joke. Another publicity stunte that costs us, you guessed it, tax money.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

    So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
    In a socialist country the govt. controls production and when they control the production they have the control. Is that what you really want here? Have you ever taken an American History course? Is that the vision of our Founders? This became the greatest country in the world because of free enterprise and incentives to be the best you can be. More inventions and more individual wealth creation in this country than any place else in the world. I really am concerned that someone your age has this attitude that socialism isn't bad. Until you live in a socialist country how would you know?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In a socialist country the govt. controls production and when they control the production they have the control. Is that what you really want here? Have you ever taken an American History course? Is that the vision of our Founders? This became the greatest country in the world because of free enterprise and incentives to be the best you can be. More inventions and more individual wealth creation in this country than any place else in the world. I really am concerned that someone your age has this attitude that socialism isn't bad. Until you live in a socialist country how would you know?
    You do realize that you spined my post way out of what I was saying? It is an ideology that states, "If a country can't produce enogh goods to support its residence, then it is a failed society?" Christ, your post literally make me facepalm in RL.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

    So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
    You do realize the foundation of America, right? Of course not.

    You work, you earn. You sit around and bitch all day, you don't earn. It is not the government, which is funded by hard working people, that needs to be responsible for supporting you. Get off your lazy ass and go support yourself.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Except when you are given tax breaks over the last 30 years.
    Explain to us what you think a tax break is since it is obvious that you are confused.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    You do realize the foundation of America, right? Of course not.

    You work, you earn. You sit around and bitch all day, you don't earn. It is not the government, which is funded by hard working people, that needs to be responsible for supporting you. Get off your lazy ass and go support yourself.
    Seeing as how this post was directed at me, I'm a full-time student and a part-time employee. We should redefine personal attack to this.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hmmmm how is this at all valid to the debate Conservative?
    Running out of evidence and things to say?
    It is very relevent to the debate. You are pushing socialism as the path to a better lifestyle and the evidence is that none of these countries are very desireable, especially by the standards that American's have learned to live by.

    Sounds to me like you are just trying to dodge any evidence that shows how very wrong you are, just to hang onto some false sense of pride and an argument that you don't fully understand.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No Conservative... No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with about answering this question: "When in the history has any country ever gotten out of a time of crisis we are in right now with jobs and a deficit by cutting taxes? Name one time in history, in country in the world?"
    It has nothing to do with if im a socialist or not..
    I often wonder just how ignorant liberals can be. Do you wonder that ? Do you wonder how stupid Conservatives can be ?

    Ronald Reagan inherited a mess. He lowered tax rates. And he closed loopholes. Revenues went up. Way up. Libtards like to point out that he increased the debt, while forgetting that he fixed just about everything else. He rebuilt the military, American pride, and paved the way for the boom 90's.

    Now we got Obama. Who has taken deficits to percents-of-GDP that even Reagan could not imagine. And unlike Reagan, Obama wasted it all. ****ed up everything worse. Everything.

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