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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post

    Bingo, that is exactly what happened. In addition to the two democrats that voted against the proecedural vote, three other dems said they wouldn't vote for the actual bill....meaning BO would only get 47 votes, at best, on the actual legislation.....and that had to be avoided any any cost to prevent BO from looking like a total putz.
    What other 3 Democrats?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Why? Even without Manchin's vote, the bill still would have passed.
    THe actual vote was 50-49. It's right there in your "updated" BBC article. Please note, I'm using your article.

    The package failed by a vote of 50 to 49, short of the 60 votes it needed to advance in the 100-member Senate.

    BBC News - Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Now, without going back and looking it seems to me that it was reported to be higher than this.......We can come to conclusions as to why false number were released if that was the case.

    Remove even one and the vote is 49-50.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    Excellent point and one we have missed. Reid invoked the cloture vote, not the GOP. The GOP did not try and block an outright vote on this bill, Reid did. He invoked cloture himself so that NOBODY could debate the points.
    What do you think the purpose of a cloture vote is?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What do you think the purpose of a cloture vote is?
    Two reasons. In this case it was to gaurantee it didn't pass and to stop Senators from doing their job by debating a bill.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    THe actual vote was 50-49. It's right there in your "updated" BBC article. Please note, I'm using your article.
    Umm, that's not "my" article ... that was the article you quoted from when you claimed "several Democrats" were against it. It's still "your" article even though the BBC retracted that part.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    The package failed by a vote of 50 to 49, short of the 60 votes it needed to advance in the 100-member Senate.

    BBC News - Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Now, without going back and looking it seems to me that it was reported to be higher than this.......We can come to conclusions as to why false number were released if that was the case.

    Remove even one and the vote is 49-50.
    Holy ****.

    Really?

    You really don't know that the vote was 50-49 and not 51-48 because Reid, who initially voted yes, voted no only because doing so allows him to bring that bill up for a vote again if he so chooses.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    [QUOTE=Sheik Yerbuti;1059868585]Umm, that's not "my" article ... that was the article you quoted from when you claimed "several Democrats" were against it. It's still "your" article even though the BBC retracted that part.

    It's the article you posted. If Reid had the votes he would have taken up the offer to skip cloture.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And perhaps you should direct your complaint to your comrade who referenced a BBC article. I merely responded to his post by informing him the BBC story he was relying on had retracted it just 2 hours after releasing the story.


    Ok, you found 1 Democrat. It still would have passed.


    Hey, you just made my point, thanks!!

    Right, Reid rejected McConnel was because ne knew the bill wouldn't have enough Democrat support had it been voted on without a debate in the Senate. That's why Republicans were eager to vote on it since they too knew it wouldn't pass. After the bill was debated in the Senate, Republicans had to filibuster to kill it because they knew it was going to pass.

    My point was that if Republicans knew there weren't enough Democrat votes, they wouldn't have stuck their neck out by blocking a jopbs bill and you just proved it.
    You should really learn something about the way the Senate works. You are making yourself look more foolish with each post. McConnell pushed to vote on the bill, which MEANS THE BILL WOULD BE DEBATED AND VOTED ON !!!! The cloture vote which Reid insisted on was to DEBATE the bill and vote on it, but McConnell had already agreed to that !!!

    You really think the BBC article was correct. Here's another quote from a Democratic defector:

    “Out of respect for the principles of free and open debate, I will be voting to proceed to debate on the American Jobs Act. However, I cannot support final passage of the bill in its current form.

    “I again emphasize my long-held belief that taxes should not be raised on wages or ordinary income. This legislation, if passed, should be paid for by other means such as raising capital gains or ending costly subsidies and tax loopholes.”
    Senator Webb Statement on Tonight's Cloture Vote on American Jobs Act

    Further proof:

    To pass the Senate, Obama’s jobs bill will need the support of all Senate Democrats and, seeing to that, at least seven Republican votes. However, Lieberman is a “no” vote right now with either the surtax or offsets on the table.

    An aide to Lieberman said that if the jobs bill comes to a vote paid for by either the president’s proposed offsets or an increase in taxes on people earning more than $1 million, the senator will vote against it.

    However, Lieberman would vote for a surcharge such as Reid’s, if it were accompanied by a comprehensive debt reduction agreement to be phased in over the next decade, the aide said.

    Several other Democratic senators have expressed reservations about the bill in the past month.

    Sen. Jim Webb has said he has serious concerns over raising taxes on earned income and has floated other ways to raise revenues, such as closing certain tax loopholes and ending ethanol subsidies. However, an aide to Webb said the Senator will wait until actual legislation is offered before reviewing the proposals.

    West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin has objected to the spending portion of the bill, and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson has said he would oppose any tax increase given the state of the economy.
    Read more: Joe Lieberman | American Jobs Act | Senate Democrats | The Daily Caller

    How many more quotes would you like ???

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What other 3 Democrats?
    From Politico ......

    Further imperiling the Obama plan’s chances, several moderate members of the Democratic Caucus — Sens. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, Jim Webb of Virginia and Joe Manchin of West Virginia — said they opposed the president’s plan and would vote against it on its merits. But they said in the spirit of holding a debate, they would vote to break the filibuster so the plan could be considered in the full Senate.

    Read more: Obama jobs bill stalls in Senate - Manu Raju and Scott Wong - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What do you think the purpose of a cloture vote is?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    Two reasons. In this case it was to gaurantee it didn't pass and to stop Senators from doing their job by debating a bill.
    It was to end the debate, not prevent a debate.

    Lawmakers, White House regroup on jobs

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A day after Senate Republicans killed his $447 billion jobs bill, President Barack Obama said he isn't taking no for an answer. In his first, combative appearance since a united Senate GOP caucus filibustered the jobs plan to death, Obama promised to keep the pressure on Congress for his job initiatives.

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