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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Spoken like middle management lackey who is dependent on a corporate job.


    good one!

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    You know, I don't remember any of our Founders standing in the middle of a sq asking for someone else to take care of them? I do remember them all to be self reliant and ready to take care of those in need. Whatever happened to those people? As I recall the purpose of that Central govt. was for defense and PROMOTING general welfare. That has been changed by politicians to provide for general welfare because they found that they can keep their job and their power by buying votes. Is that what you support?
    No one is really asking to be taken care of. That is really more misinformation than anything else. We're speaking as society how best to tackle a few collective problems.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one is really asking to be taken care of. That is really more misinformation than anything else. We're speaking as society how best to tackle a few collective problems.
    Our Founders knew how and the people today and to OWS rallies don't have a clue. People taking care of people instead of authorizing a massive federal govt. to do it is the way our Founders did it. Today, far too many fail to be self reliant and look for someone else to take care of them so up steps Barack Obama and his merry band of leftwing radicals offering to provide people with free healthcare, forgive or restructure student loans, force restructing of home loans for people under water. Yes, the nanny state is alive and well, contrary to what our Founders created.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    ‘Not entirely’ would infer that you DO AGREE with some portion of O’Reilly’s rant. Other lines from the article that would support your 'working together' statement include: “After we achieved independence from England, the federal and state governments basically stepped aside allowing businesses and communities to grow without much interference”, “We looked out for each other, but did not tolerate cowardice or narcissism” and “That war united the country and brought us a common purpose”.

    Given the examples of ‘working collectively’ FROM THE ARTICLE I don’t see how you can state ‘individually as the myth suggests’ but I guess a ‘not entirely’ position would accommodate this. You DID read the article DIDN’T YOU?
    No it doesn't. Few things are either all one way or another. His basic premise and the linchpin of that premise revolves around individuality and lack of using government to solve problems. He is 100% wrong about that. Now, that doesn't mean that we never did anything he says we did.

    He offers very few examples in his article. Let's take WWII, and eample he did give. Government went to war, and rightly so. Government pointed to a specific reason, told the public it would be costly, and asked them to sacrific. Now, this has nothing to do with individuality. In fact, quite the opposite. It is a collective effort run largely by the government, and rightly so.

    VN on the other hand had no honest reason for happening. It was largely based on a lie (Bay of Tokin) and in a flawed premise, domino theory. And did not have public support. Public support; not individual support.

    Iraq went a step further, government invaded another country on a pretex and said it will cost us nothing. We'll lower taxes, use only volunteers, and you don't have to worry about it all.

    None of those examples say a thing about our individuality. they only address the way government decided to address a certain problem. And remmeber, the WWII example follows this quote:


    The foundation of America's growing power was a code of conduct based on honest labor and neighborly charity. We looked out for each other, but did not tolerate cowardice or narcissism. Judeo-Christian philosophy dominated the public square.

    Read more: Bill O'Reilly: America in Decline - Talking Points - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

    WWII does not support that claim at all. It's a trick, a cheap one at that, that divertes attention away from his claim. He need to show something that dealt with work ethic, honest labor, Judea-Christian philosophy. He didn't. He spoke of hwo we handled a war. Not at all the same.

    With VN he discusses us distrusting authority, but doesn't touch upon what authority did to lose trust. Seems to be suggesting that trust should be blind, and that those who lose it have no accountability for losing it. Again, a trick, a diversion that really doesn't address his premise.

    In case you've forgotten, this is his premise:


    The answer is the decline in self-reliance. If you understand history, you know that America was founded on the independent principles of honor and hard work.

    Read more: Bill O'Reilly: America in Decline - Talking Points - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

    he has to show first, we're in decline, and that the reason is a lack of self reliance. That the US was indeed founded on honor and hard work, and that such is missing. He doesn't even address that at all. Again, he relies on tricks, trying to move his followers on the found feelings of a "good war' and the bad feelings they hold over the other 'bad" wars. All of which has nothing to do with his premise.

    But to be honest, his article doesn't deserve this much of an answer. It is so weak and sloppy, of poorly reasoned and laid out, any reader should see the flaws right off. but then again, if you don't question, and always accept your affirmation, I suppose you could miss it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it doesn't. Few things are either all one way or another. His basic premise and the linchpin of that premise revolves around individuality and lack of using government to solve problems. He is 100% wrong about that. Now, that doesn't mean that we never did anything he says we did.

    He offers very few examples in his article. Let's take WWII, and eample he did give. Government went to war, and rightly so. Government pointed to a specific reason, told the public it would be costly, and asked them to sacrific. Now, this has nothing to do with individuality. In fact, quite the opposite. It is a collective effort run largely by the government, and rightly so.

    VN on the other hand had no honest reason for happening. It was largely based on a lie (Bay of Tokin) and in a flawed premise, domino theory. And did not have public support. Public support; not individual support.

    Iraq went a step further, government invaded another country on a pretex and said it will cost us nothing. We'll lower taxes, use only volunteers, and you don't have to worry about it all.

    None of those examples say a thing about our individuality. they only address the way government decided to address a certain problem. And remmeber, the WWII example follows this quote:


    The foundation of America's growing power was a code of conduct based on honest labor and neighborly charity. We looked out for each other, but did not tolerate cowardice or narcissism. Judeo-Christian philosophy dominated the public square.

    Read more: Bill O'Reilly: America in Decline - Talking Points - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

    WWII does not support that claim at all. It's a trick, a cheap one at that, that divertes attention away from his claim. He need to show something that dealt with work ethic, honest labor, Judea-Christian philosophy. He didn't. He spoke of hwo we handled a war. Not at all the same.

    With VN he discusses us distrusting authority, but doesn't touch upon what authority did to lose trust. Seems to be suggesting that trust should be blind, and that those who lose it have no accountability for losing it. Again, a trick, a diversion that really doesn't address his premise.

    In case you've forgotten, this is his premise:


    The answer is the decline in self-reliance. If you understand history, you know that America was founded on the independent principles of honor and hard work.

    Read more: Bill O'Reilly: America in Decline - Talking Points - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

    he has to show first, we're in decline, and that the reason is a lack of self reliance. That the US was indeed founded on honor and hard work, and that such is missing. He doesn't even address that at all. Again, he relies on tricks, trying to move his followers on the found feelings of a "good war' and the bad feelings they hold over the other 'bad" wars. All of which has nothing to do with his premise.

    But to be honest, his article doesn't deserve this much of an answer. It is so weak and sloppy, of poorly reasoned and laid out, any reader should see the flaws right off. but then again, if you don't question, and always accept your affirmation, I suppose you could miss it.
    this is an American Decline

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    2010 2011
    I II III IV I II
    3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You know, I don't remember any of our Founders standing in the middle of a sq asking for someone else to take care of them? I do remember them all to be self reliant and ready to take care of those in need. Whatever happened to those people? As I recall the purpose of that Central govt. was for defense and PROMOTING general welfare. That has been changed by politicians to provide for general welfare because they found that they can keep their job and their power by buying votes. Is that what you support?
    Buying votes conservative is more commonly called democracy, are you against democracy?


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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Buying votes conservative is more commonly called democracy, are you against democracy?
    Yeah, right, I also want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air, too. Keeping people dependent is a crime that destroys the human spirit, is that what you support?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    this is an American Decline

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    2010 2011
    I II III IV I II
    3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    Still have that crap on your desktop, conservative?

    Here is your American in decline:



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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Still have that crap on your desktop, conservative?

    Here is your American in decline:

    Posted just like the redistribution of wealth liberal which is against everything this country stands for. You just don't get it all. It isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to take on personal responsibility issues, that is the role of the local community and charities. There was a time when people cheered success and individual wealth creation. What happened to those times? What is preventing your kids from becoming one of those evil rich people?

    This is the greatest country on the face of the earth that is being destroyed by liberalism and the desire of people like you to redistribute wealth and penalize productivity and profit creation. I don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? How does that hurt you or your family? "Your" incompetent President is making things worsae

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    this is an American Decline

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    2010 2011
    I II III IV I II
    3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    Trying to divert attention again?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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