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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Again, he was fortunate to be in the second-half of a double dip recession, whereas Obama appears to have begun his presidency at the onset of a long-drawn out recession. They are not similar. However, Obama has not finished his term, so it isn't fair to criticize him just yet. At least give him a couple more quarters before you stand in judgment.

    May I assume if GDP starts growing by 4% and more after this quarter you will support Obama?

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    Good night, I assume we will continue this discussion manana.
    Since that isn't going to happen including projections from his own Commerce Dept. it isn't something I am going to have to consider. I don't like Obama's policies at all nor his economic results.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The unmanageable debt came from 30 years of deficit spending. They are related you know. The jobs plan pays for itself by eliminating some of the tax breaks for the wealthiest. All reports show they have the most water in their bucket due to 30 years of tax breaks that benefited them most. It will take an improved economy to reduce our deficit, jobs improve the economy.
    Per the WH website “To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target.” So, no the Joint Committee has NOT FOUND A WAY TO PAY FOR IT YET! Jobs created by moving money around are not sustainable but merely kicking the can.


    Lets see a link to your source that you claim links a great strain on the economy based on the physical damage on 9/11?
    The original post about ‘great strain’ was not mine. Our discussion began from your disagreement that 9/11 put this strain on the economy. More specifically your position was ‘our over reaction to it’ to which I disagreed.

    Your graph compares the lowest income earners to the highest income earners. My claim was the middle class tax rates have gone up over the last 30 years, while the tax rates for the most wealthy have gone down, as seen below:
    Your graph compares the ‘riches 400 people’ out of 315million against the middle class. Do you think this is represents a legitimate comparison? Wouldn’t comparing an extreme element to a median element usually reveal some great disparity? Essentially the comparison groups are extreme compared to each other.

    Why trickle down economics has been incredibly unsuccessful:
    Your graph to support the ‘trickle down’ argument is the ‘increase in national debt’. I miss the correlation.

    For those who primarily get their income from inheritance and capital gains, they pay a lower effective tax rate on their total income than do the middle class.
    Did you miss my original post about the ‘apples/oranges’ comparison of wage income vs. capital gains? I guess not. What you miss is that the inheritance and capital gains taxes are ‘double taxes’. One cannot have income from capital gains until he first has income to invest and thus profit to incur capital gains taxes. This initial income is taxed at the income rate. The same is true on inheritance. I know you read the Politifact article which revealed this principal.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    obvious Child;1059905426]When you argued that discouraged workers was doubling every month. Several of us tried to point out that the BLS data you were citing was cumulative. You refused to accept that at all. The problem is that by arguing that discouraged workers was doubling that the US population was doubling as well. You totally failed to read that chart properly and you got beaten rightfully into pulp for it.
    Never argued that at all, didn't know the answer, wrote BLS and got the answer, it is a monthly number NOT a cumulative number per the following

    Published CPS levels are not cumulative, and the number of discouraged workers are displayed in thousands and are not seasonally adjusted.
    Guess you are wrong as well. Want me to make a big deal out of it like you have which of course has nothing to do with the thread topic?


    Hardly; See my previous post you liar.
    Personal Attack or is calling someone a liar a sign of admiration?


    Actually if we all just treated you like the clown you are, you wouldn't be a problem.
    Personal attack or is calling someone a clown a sign of admiration?

    Wow. YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. Every month is the net total. Meaning that every month shows the net cumulative change. Seriously. You STILL DON'T understand the data you cite. That is embarrassing. I doubt you even know what cumulative means at this point.
    Every month is a stand alone number according to BLS


    Really? Nothing Cumulative In your chart?
    So every month shows an additional amount of discouraged workers? Not the TOTAL discouraged workers?
    Every month is a stand alone number so discouraged workers plus the "official" unemployed for September 2011 total over 15 million putting the unemployment rate at almost 9.8%

    You are literally beyond hope here.
    Going to lose a lot of sleep over that one, another personal attack? Let someone else decide


    So basically you just made up in your head what you think I argued putting absolutely no work into finding out what I actually said.

    Basically you admit you are a liar. You don't know what I said, you just made it up and hoped it was what I said. The fact you keep doing this is an admission you are a compulsive liar.
    Personal attack unless calling someone a liar is a sign of admiration


    See my post above this one. Liar.
    Personal attack, believe you got the word liar down pat. Interesting how anyone that disagrees with you is called a liar. How about attempting to prove the Obama numbers I have posted wrong?


    You know, we point out your actual failures and that is your response.

    You don't understand what cumulative is. You cannot read BLS data properly as evident in your own post where you claimed that the BLS data isn't cumulative yet you posted cumulative data. You don't know why chain, real and nominal are different. You haven't the faintest idea why deleveraging seriously changes a recession. And you expect us to take you seriously.

    You basically make up things to attack us on when we cite very specific screw ups you have. WOW.
    So you took the time to respond, issue personal attacks and yet have not responded to the actual Obama data posted. According to you I cannot read BLS data correctly yet you have yet to prove that. Here are the Obama numbers as of Sept. 2011 so take a shot at proving them wrong

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    2010 2011
    I II III IV I II
    3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    You haven't proven that I make anything up but you do use the word liar a lot which is a personal attack. Look forward to you proving the numbers I have posted as being wrong.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Every month is a stand alone number so discouraged workers plus the "official" unemployed for September 2011 total over 15 million putting the unemployment rate at almost 9.8%
    According to you, that puts unemployment at 5%.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    According to you, that puts unemployment at 5%.
    Where do you come up with that number. Obviously you need to learn how to calculate the unemployment number so let me help you

    Labor Force 154.017 Million
    Unemployed 13.992

    Official Rate 13992/154017=9.08 or 9.1%

    Now including Discouraged workers

    Discouraged workers 1.037 million

    Total Unemployed 139.992 + 1.037=15.029 million/154.017=9.76%

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    According to you, that puts unemployment at 5%.
    WOW! By your calculation there are 300 million (15m/.05) in the work force...pretty incredible given the population is 315 million.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    WOW! By your calculation there are 300 million (15m/.05) in the work force...pretty incredible given the population is 315 million.
    Right, GW Bush snuck back into the WH and repealed all those child labor laws so now we have ALL Americans in the work force for you know how evil GW Bush was. I am trying to figure out what labor a new born and child under the age of 5 can actually do?

    Wondered where he got the 5% from so thanks for clarifying.

    This is the same person who claims that the GOP Controls the Senate because they can filibuster legislation

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Wondered where he got the 5% from so thanks for clarifying.
    Given the shape of the current education system (or lack of learning) does it surprise you that such simple mathematics calculation is performed incorrectly?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Given the shape of the current education system (or lack of learning) does it surprise you that such simple mathematics calculation is performed incorrectly?
    Not at all and that is part of the problem. There seems to be an ideology out there today that ignores the very foundation upon which this country was built. Millions of voices however aren't being heard although the polls show it. A large majority of Americans are of the opinion that America is in decline and the poor leadership of this Administration who is more focused on dividing and promoting class warfare is to blame. In addition here is an excellent article on the subject and explanation as to why. Liberals and Obama supporters will ignore it because of the author but it is the content that matters.

    Bill O'Reilly: America in Decline - Talking Points - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

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