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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Spot the disconnect ...

    1Perry: "Many Dems..."

    BBC (Before retraction): "several Democrats..."
    Fine, several Democrats. That means it doesn't pass.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not exactly sure how it is you blame Democrats for blocking a bill that was filibustered by Republicans, but if the bill had no chance at passing anyway, why did Republicans filibuster it?
    Why don't you ask them?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The protests in Egypt consist of a very small percentage of the population. The largest protest which has taken place called for a million Egyptians to march in Cairo and around 250,000 actually participated in a country of 80 million people."
    Egypt’s Crisis Emphasises Hypocrisy Of Obama And The Left | RedState

    So despite your earlier claim their numbers were insufficient, it would seem that a relatively small percentage of the total population can make a big difference.
    Which is what I already said.. as long as the movement resonates with the vast number of others who are not protesting, it can gain traction. If it doesn't resonate with the rest of the population, it fails and dies or gets violent and frustrated.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh, we are moving the goal away from the number to the reason now...............very well, the reason resonates among the middle class..............economic justice!
    Dude... fact of the matter is, it could be 1 million people (still < 1% I might add) or 10 million people and the reasoning is the same. You want to look big by accusing me of moving the goal posts - fine. Doesn't change a thing... the OWS movement is going no where and the longer it sticks around NOT making an impact, not being clear and not being coherent the more it will be ignored. In case you haven't noticed, American's don't have a very long attention span.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    From what I can tell, that was first reported by the BBC, which made the claim without naming a single Senator who said that -- and then the BCC pulled that part out of their article just 2 hours after they first released it.

    'Republicans block Obama jobs bill' diff viewer (2/3) - News Sniffer
    Perhaps you should try looking in American news sources for American news instead of European ones. Joe Manchin was very clear that he was willing to vote to bring the bill to the floor but would never vote for it as it was presented.

    Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., also expressed strong disagreements with parts of the legislation.

    During a telephone press conference on Wednesday, Manchin said he hoped Democrats and Republicans would work together to pass new legislation.

    "There are parts of the bill I think are good parts, some are bad parts and some are ugly," he said. "I would not have voted for passage for that bill without the changes that needed to be made."
    Despite vote, Rockefeller, Manchin differ on Senate jobs bill* - News - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -

    I also noted that you failed to respond to the fact that McConnel offered to bring the ACTUAL BILL to a vote before the Senate, skipping the cloture process and Reid refused.

    Why do you think Reid refused???? Very simple, he didn't want to see the bill defeated in a bipartisan vote. The democrats wouldn't have gotten the headline they desperately needed for the election next year.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Perhaps you should try looking in American news sources for American news instead of European ones. Joe Manchin was very clear that he was willing to vote to bring the bill to the floor but would never vote for it as it was presented.


    Despite vote, Rockefeller, Manchin differ on Senate jobs bill* - News - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -

    I also noted that you failed to respond to the fact that McConnel offered to bring the ACTUAL BILL to a vote before the Senate, skipping the cloture process and Reid refused.

    Why do you think Reid refused???? Very simple, he didn't want to see the bill defeated in a bipartisan vote. The democrats wouldn't have gotten the headline they desperately needed for the election next year.
    Excellent point and one we have missed. Reid invoked the cloture vote, not the GOP. The GOP did not try and block an outright vote on this bill, Reid did. He invoked cloture himself so that NOBODY could debate the points.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    Fine, several Democrats. That means it doesn't pass.
    Of course it passes. You forget, even at several, it was retracted. And again, if it wasn't going to pass, Republicans would not have needed to filibuster it.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Excellent point and one we have missed. Reid invoked the cloture vote, not the GOP. The GOP did not try and block an outright vote on this bill, Reid did. He invoked cloture himself so that NOBODY could debate the points.
    Bingo, that is exactly what happened. In addition to the two democrats that voted against the proecedural vote, three other dems said they wouldn't vote for the actual bill....meaning BO would only get 47 votes, at best, on the actual legislation.....and that had to be avoided any any cost to prevent BO from looking like a total putz.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Of course it passes. You forget, even at several, it was retracted. And again, if it wasn't going to pass, Republicans would not have needed to filibuster it.
    You have a link to where Manchin retracted his statement that he would not vote to pass it?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post

    Perhaps you should try looking in American news sources for American news instead of European ones.
    And perhaps you should direct your complaint to your comrade who referenced a BBC article. I merely responded to his post by informing him the BBC story he was relying on had retracted it just 2 hours after releasing the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post

    Joe Manchin was very clear that he was willing to vote to bring the bill to the floor but would never vote for it as it was presented.


    Despite vote, Rockefeller, Manchin differ on Senate jobs bill* - News - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -
    Ok, you found 1 Democrat. It still would have passed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post

    I also noted that you failed to respond to the fact that McConnel offered to bring the ACTUAL BILL to a vote before the Senate, skipping the cloture process and Reid refused.

    Why do you think Reid refused???? Very simple, he didn't want to see the bill defeated in a bipartisan vote. The democrats wouldn't have gotten the headline they desperately needed for the election next year.
    Hey, you just made my point, thanks!!

    Right, Reid rejected McConnel was because ne knew the bill wouldn't have enough Democrat support had it been voted on without a debate in the Senate. That's why Republicans were eager to vote on it since they too knew it wouldn't pass. After the bill was debated in the Senate, Republicans had to filibuster to kill it because they knew it was going to pass.

    My point was that if Republicans knew there weren't enough Democrat votes, they wouldn't have stuck their neck out by blocking a jopbs bill and you just proved it.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    You have a link to where Manchin retracted his statement that he would not vote to pass it?
    Why? Even without Manchin's vote, the bill still would have passed.

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