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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Amazing isn't it, 23357 posts with almost every post blaming Obama for the economic recession and absolving any Conservative of any responsibility.

    See how this works, ****stick?
    Aw, missed the personal attacks today, yours is the second. As usual you have to make me the issue and not the actual results of Obama and Congress. Obama cannot inherit what he as a member of Congress helped create but that isn't even the issue. The issue is what he has done to turn the economy around and dividing the country, promoting class warfare, not promoting American exceptionalism, not promoting individual wealth creation and the private sector has led to the numbers we have today thus the very low approval rating. If you want to continue to make me the issue, no problem, all that does is destroy your credibility for I don't have any power and have nothing to do with the disastrous results of Obama

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Amazing isn't it, 23357 posts with almost every post blaming Obama for the economic recession and absolving any Conservative of any responsibility.

    See how this works, ****stick?
    I laughed out loud.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Aw, missed the personal attacks today, yours is the second. As usual you have to make me the issue and not the actual results of Obama and Congress. Obama cannot inherit what he as a member of Congress helped create but that isn't even the issue. The issue is what he has done to turn the economy around and dividing the country, promoting class warfare, not promoting American exceptionalism, not promoting individual wealth creation and the private sector has led to the numbers we have today thus the very low approval rating. If you want to continue to make me the issue, no problem, all that does is destroy your credibility for I don't have any power and have nothing to do with the disastrous results of Obama
    Thank you for making my case. So you blamed Obama for the recession before (as he was in Congress) then you blame him again when he was President. You, in a small paragraph, just contradicted yourself.

    We are talking about credibility? Really? Show me again how Reagan "doubled" the revenues from FIT? Oh that's right, he didn't.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    I laughed out loud.
    It really is a shame, doubt that the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans are laughing.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, what does that have to do with the chart and difference between leadership styles? Notice that Reagan took office in January 1981 and had 99.9 million employed Americans. The economy at the time was crumbling due to high inflation, rising unemployment, high interest rates, and malaise on the part of the American people. The recession began in July 1981 and two years after the end of the recession, November 1984 there were 108.0 million employed Americans or almost 9 million more employed than when he took office.

    Compare that to Obama who took office with a 142.2 million employed and two years after the end of the recession, June 2011 there were 139.3 million or a 2.9 million DECREASE. There was no inflation, there was record low interest rates so what is the difference? IMO, it was leadership and the attitude of both President's. President Reagan promoted American exceptionalism and the private sector including individual wealth creation. What has Obama promoted?
    Again, the number of people and jobs has inflated, so if you don't use those numbers relative to population, then they are meaningless. However, I have to contend with you that the recession began when he took office. Look at these numbers:

    U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
    1979q4 9.5 1.1
    1980q1 10.1 1.3
    1980q2 0.6 -7.9
    1980q3 8.6 -0.7
    1980q4 20.0 7.6
    1981q1 20.0 8.6
    1981q2 4.4 -3.2
    1981q3 12.6 4.9
    1981q4 2.2 -4.9
    1982q1 -1.2 -6.4
    1982q2 7.2 2.2
    1982q3 4.2 -1.5
    1982q4 4.7 0.3
    -------------------------
    Unemployment was also no where near the same. By the time Obama had taken office, unemployment had from 5.8 to 9.3%. That's a significant jump, wouldn't you say? It's not even similar for Reagan, his numbers just before and after taking office were 7.1% and 7.6%. Trust me, Obama would have loved to take office when unemployment was only slowly rising like that. These two recessions are not the same, so comparing them is difficult, and each president took the helm at different times in the recession as well.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Thank you for making my case. So you blamed Obama for the recession before (as he was in Congress) then you blame him again when he was President. You, in a small paragraph, just contradicted yourself.

    We are talking about credibility? Really? Show me again how Reagan "doubled" the revenues from FIT? Oh that's right, he didn't.
    Thank you for showing your true colors which are the inability to actually do any research nor having a basic understanding of civics. Congress helped create the economic conditions we have today and I don't blame Obama solely for the recession but I do blame him for the lack of leadership in getting us out of that recession and spending money but not getting the adequate results for that spending.

    Noticed that you keep going back to the Reagan revenue growth and have yet to prove that any of the data I have posted during the Obama Administration are wrong. Reagan growth was almost 69% after a three year tax cut which destroys the liberal argument that tax cuts cause deficits since revenue grew after those tax cuts. How much time are you willing to give Obama since three years hasn't been enough even though two of those years he had total overwhelming support in the Congress. Guess results don't matter to a liberal when they involve a liberal President

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, ignore the content and attack me. I cannot help it if you don't understand the data posted. Obviously your youth and inexperience are showing here. You don't understand leadership at all nor do you understand that if you had a job and generated the results Obama has generated after spending the amount of money he has spent you would be fired. Reagan won a huge electoral landslide in 1984 because of that leadership and the results generated. The Obama results don't warrant re-election
    Oh okay, so if you say "it's a shame that these dumb liberals keep attacking Bush ...", it's fine. But if point around that you are running around this thread like a chicken with its head cut off blaming Obama, then I'm attacking? Grow thicker skin.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Again, the number of people and jobs has inflated, so if you don't use those numbers relative to population, then they are meaningless. However, I have to contend with you that the recession began when he took office. Look at these numbers:

    U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
    1979q4 9.5 1.1
    1980q1 10.1 1.3
    1980q2 0.6 -7.9
    1980q3 8.6 -0.7
    1980q4 20.0 7.6
    1981q1 20.0 8.6
    1981q2 4.4 -3.2
    1981q3 12.6 4.9
    1981q4 2.2 -4.9
    1982q1 -1.2 -6.4
    1982q2 7.2 2.2
    1982q3 4.2 -1.5
    1982q4 4.7 0.3
    -------------------------
    Unemployment was also no where near the same. By the time Obama had taken office, unemployment had from 5.8 to 9.3%. That's a significant jump, wouldn't you say? It's not even similar for Reagan, his numbers just before and after taking office were 7.1% and 7.6%. Trust me, Obama would have loved to take office when unemployment was only slowly rising like that. These two recessions are not the same, so comparing them is difficult, and each president took the helm at different times in the recession as well.
    Since you weren't around during the Reagan term or were too young guess that is what I would expect from the liberal education you are receiving today. Recession began in July 1981 so what economic policy did Reagan have in place and passed by Congress to generate those numbers? Reagan economic policy wasn't passed until the fourth qtr of 1981 so of course he is responsible for everything prior to that right? That seems to be liberal logic. I know this is hard for you to understand but the recession ended in November 1982 which is the first quarter of fiscal year 1983. Hard for a liberal to understand so take notes

    Fiscal year of the United States runs from October 1 to September 30. See if you can put those results into proper context.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh okay, so if you say "it's a shame that these dumb liberals keep attacking Bush ...", it's fine. But if point around that you are running around this thread like a chicken with its head cut off blaming Obama, then I'm attacking? Grow thicker skin.
    There is nothing that can be done about the Bush results but there is plenty that can be done about the Obama results. Hiring will increasae when Obama is fired.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thank you for showing your true colors which are the inability to actually do any research nor having a basic understanding of civics. Congress helped create the economic conditions we have today and I don't blame Obama solely for the recession but I do blame him for the lack of leadership in getting us out of that recession and spending money but not getting the adequate results for that spending.

    Noticed that you keep going back to the Reagan revenue growth and have yet to prove that any of the data I have posted during the Obama Administration are wrong. Reagan growth was almost 69% after a three year tax cut which destroys the liberal argument that tax cuts cause deficits since revenue grew after those tax cuts. How much time are you willing to give Obama since three years hasn't been enough even though two of those years he had total overwhelming support in the Congress. Guess results don't matter to a liberal when they involve a liberal President
    How did I show my "inability go do research?" when I post numbers, I give people verifiable links instead of "(bls.gov)"

    I keep going back to the Reagan FIT as it proves you are a liar.
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