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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You wouldn't call a steady decline every month for a year a trend? You wouldn't call a stead incline every month for 1 year and 8 months a trend? I don't think you know what a trend is.

    This is ridiculous that you are allowed to troll this thread with such inane arguments. You make Conservative look like he has a PhD in Statistics.
    Other than job losses plotted against time what other economic data did you see in the inverse pyramid? I understand that you are a partisan more concerned about putting the best possible spin on your Marxist president. That graph works just fine for that purpose. Did you draw any insights you did not have before? Were you able to integrate this with any data from previous recessions?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Other than job losses plotted against time what other economic data did you see in the inverse pyramid? I understand that you are a partisan more concerned about putting the best possible spin on your Marxist president. That graph works just fine for that purpose. Did you draw any insights you did not have before? Were you able to integrate this with any data from previous recessions?
    What other data did I see on this inverse pyramid? Considering this graph only consists of job loss/gain, that's all I saw. Did you want it adorned with flowers or something? That's all the graph is about.

    What exactly do you want in the graph that is not in there? Please, let us know what you want in there and why you want it in there. I literally have no idea what you are complaining about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This chart? I got very little as it was presented. But when I compared it to the previous recession it looks as if it was nearly twice as deep. What was the major difference? In my opinion the business people knew they were about to get socked in the gut by the Marxist and his duo.
    What recession? The recession in the early '80s? If so, that's a completely different animal.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Love it, instead of addressing the actual data I have become the issue with liberals.
    Considering that you just wash rinse repeat your arguments, we've already turned your arguments into ground beef. Furthermore, we all know you cannot read data properly. I'm just telling people to stop wasting their time on someone who believes that the US population doubles monthly.

    OC, noticed that you ignored the actual Obama results but instead prefer to make me the issue.
    What results? That the economy is bad? When did I ever argue otherwise? (Hint: I didn't) What you ignore is that President has relatively little power over the economy. You want to blame him solely for the mess we're in.

    And you are the problem.

    That is the sign of desparation and attempts at politics of personal destruction.
    Considering you haven't won an argument here since you started, that's not really saying much. I already destroyed you countless times. I have nothing to prove to you. Especially after you couldn't figure out the BLS data was cumulative.

    After that fiasco, you are nothing but a clown to me.

    Try as you might the facts remain, the Obama record is there for all to see and are as I have posted probably hunders of times now. You can continue to personally attack me but that doesn't change the Obama record.
    When did I ever argue the economy isn't bad? Oh wait. I didn't. You are as usual being dishonest. But as we all have pointed out, your arguments are based on a massive failure to understand basic data. The fact you don't get why you can't use nominal, real and chain interchangeably is a partially why I don't invest much time in discussing things with you.

    I have asked that the data be proven wrong and no one has done that. Why don't you try? What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? Keep attacking me personally while ignoring the Obama results. Diversion is the greatest form of flattery. No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history.
    Considering I didn't vote for Obama (I told you this before you lying hack) you're way out of your league. Furthermore, Obama is little more than a Bush clone. A president you have a genetic inability to criticize. And it's amusing you consider Obama worse than the presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needlessly.

    You anything but credible.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty even in the face of data that proves you wrong? Wow, amazing faith in a failed ideology
    translation, i have no rebuttal to the questions put before me, so i will jump to step 5

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    dem tax schemes have never been about efficient collection of revenue. Their beloved death tax wastes more money in avoidance, evasion and compliance than the tax brings it. Its all about pandering to their base and their base's base instincts of class envy and economic vandalism (if I cannot be rich the government should punish those who are).
    no such thing as a 'death' tax

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no such thing as a 'death' tax
    What do you call the Estate Tax? I call it theft.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What you ignore is that President has relatively little power over the economy. You want to blame him solely for the mess we're in.
    This is a great meme if a liberal is speaking to the failures of the Obama administration, however, I find it amusing when in the same breath, many of the same libs that spout this when speaking of Obama, also blame Bush for the downfall of the economy that poor Obama took over.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are you talking about? I never claimed we could retire the debt in year by eliminating the tax breaks for the wealthy. It took 30 years of spending too much and tax breaks for the wealthy to create our debt. It is going to take 30 years of the reverse to eliminate our debt.
    You stated yesterday,”The government can produce jobs and stimulate the economy by doing so until there is enough consumer demand needed for private sector to increase production.”
    To which I inquired ‘how are we going to pay for it’. No one ever discussed ‘retiring the debt’ in fact the debt was never brought up. My point was that given the deficit spending and the annual income of the 1% how much MORE can we spend on government? There is only so much water in the bucket.

    You suggested it was part of our economic recession.
    Please review previous posts. This discussion began on the point ‘great strain on the economy’. There was no reference to recession. But since you brought it up it is undeniable that it did have an effect on the ‘dot-com bubble’ recession. Also consider ‘In New York City, there were approximately 430,000 lost job months and $2.8 billion in lost wages, which occurred in the three months following the 9/11 attacks’(Monthly Labor Review). Does this not qualify as ‘great strain’, albeit local NYC?

    Painfully obvious I would say, its why people are protesting all over the country.
    The following from ‘US Bureau of Public Debt’ reveals that the line representing ‘lower income’ folks is relatively flat. However looking closer the latest 'small uptick' appears to have occured during the Clinton administration. What is the evidence of your position?

    Chart_1.jpg

    I am not talking about me, I am talking about the middle class.
    Please provide specific evidence that supports ‘trickle down didn’t work’. Just because ‘I think so’ doesn’t make it so. Again, my evidence is ME.

    By restoring some of the progressivity of income taxes, that doesn't tax income by the wealthy at a lower tax rate than the middle class.
    HUH? Wealthy are taxed at a lower rate than the middle class? Please provide evidence of such that is an ‘apples to apples’ comparison. The comparison of income tax to capital gains tax is not such.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You stated yesterday,”The government can produce jobs and stimulate the economy by doing so until there is enough consumer demand needed for private sector to increase production.”
    To which I inquired ‘how are we going to pay for it’. No one ever discussed ‘retiring the debt’ in fact the debt was never brought up. My point was that given the deficit spending and the annual income of the 1% how much MORE can we spend on government? There is only so much water in the bucket.

    Please review previous posts. This discussion began on the point ‘great strain on the economy’. There was no reference to recession. But since you brought it up it is undeniable that it did have an effect on the ‘dot-com bubble’ recession. Also consider ‘In New York City, there were approximately 430,000 lost job months and $2.8 billion in lost wages, which occurred in the three months following the 9/11 attacks’(Monthly Labor Review). Does this not qualify as ‘great strain’, albeit local NYC?

    The following from ‘US Bureau of Public Debt’ reveals that the line representing ‘lower income’ folks is relatively flat. However looking closer the latest 'small uptick' appears to have occured during the Clinton administration. What is the evidence of your position?

    Chart_1.jpg

    Please provide specific evidence that supports ‘trickle down didn’t work’. Just because ‘I think so’ doesn’t make it so. Again, my evidence is ME.

    HUH? Wealthy are taxed at a lower rate than the middle class? Please provide evidence of such that is an ‘apples to apples’ comparison. The comparison of income tax to capital gains tax is not such.
    Far too many spend too much time on the leftwing websites that spread misinformation and half truths. They simply cannot admit that liberalism has made a fool out of them as actual facts mean nothing to them. Comparing income taxes to capital gains tax rates is what they do to appeal to the ignorant.

    Trickle down doesn't work? Interesting yet not an ounce of evidence to prove that but plenty of evidence that it does work. As has been posted here 47% of the American households aren't paying any FIT and that isn't about to change so liberals using class warfare expect the other 53% of the households to pay a greater share of their income in taxes since the top 1% paying 38% of all income taxes isn't enough. That is class warfare and that is the prescription Obama is going to use for re-election hoping that he has bought enough votes to assure he gets those votes.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a great meme if a liberal is speaking to the failures of the Obama administration, however, I find it amusing when in the same breath, many of the same libs that spout this when speaking of Obama, also blame Bush for the downfall of the economy that poor Obama took over.

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    Amazing isn't it, 1377 posts on this thread with almost every liberal blaming Bush for the economic recession and absolving Obama of any responsibility. When a liberal claims that the President has very little power over the economy they mean a liberal President, not a Republican President who is totally responsible for everything bad that happens. Forget Congress for they are just place holders.

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