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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I just provided insights that fit the data. The whole point of statistics is to inform one's insights.
    No, you made a story up with no actual reason for believing it. There are literally hundreds of news articles that tell the real story, but instead you'd rather sit here and make something up. That's fine, but you kind of seem like a weirdo.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So per the '09 tax tables the top 1% had an aggregate AGI of $1.964t. I doubt it went up substantially given the recent economy. Also consider the deficits we have been running the last 2-3yrs. Do you think taxing them is plausable? At what rate?
    What are you talking about? I never claimed we could retire the debt in year by eliminating the tax breaks for the wealthy. It took 30 years of spending too much and tax breaks for the wealthy to create our debt. It is going to take 30 years of the reverse to eliminate our debt.


    The original point was about the immediate effect it had. No one said 'permanent' that your refer to.
    You suggested it was part of our economic recession.



    Ambigious.
    Painfully obvious I would say, its why people are protesting all over the country.



    Me too for 32yrs but it worked for me. What did you do wrong?
    I am not talking about me, I am talking about the middle class.

    But...wealth is not taxed in this country. How will this pay for the increase in public employees?
    By restoring some of the progressivity of income taxes, that doesn't tax income by the wealthy at a lower tax rate than the middle class.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Again, this is you adding conspiracy to fact. Could it be true? Maybe, but not likely (just like your crackpot scheme you cooked up earlier about what caused all of the job loss). What is more likely? Someone was charged with the task of creating a chart that showed where the trend of job loss began and how much, and how much recovery we have had since. Is that not a useful piece of information to know?
    I have offered no conspiracy. It began to look like the Marxist was going to win starting in October a month before the election. Job losses greatly increased.
    The Marxist won. Job losses continued at very high numbers for another four months.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    My turn to ask a question, Misterveritis:

    If you were analyzing the market crash, and one of the major factors was job loss, would you give a **** about any numbers before the downward turn?
    It is a reasonable question. Is it the correct question? Do you believe the graph shown helps in any way to understand in any way why jobs were lost beginning in early 2008? I don't see it. Do you? How, in this graph, is the market crash correlated? I do not see that either?

    We know it is possible to use a graph to mislead, to lie, to manipulate. This graph is evidence.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Here Marxist guy:

    It's official: U.S. in a recession since December 2007 - Dec. 1, 2008

    It's official: Recession since Dec. '07
    The National Bureau of Economic Research declares what most Americans already knew: the downturn has been going on for some time.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession since December 2007, making official what most Americans have already believed about the state of the economy .

    The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures.

    The NBER said that the deterioration in the labor market throughout 2008 was one key reason why it decided to state that the recession began last year.

    Employers have trimmed payrolls by 1.2 million jobs in the first 10 months of this year. On Friday, economists are predicting the government will report a loss of another 325,000 jobs for November.
    The recession began in Dec 2007.

    *Edit to add:

    And oh my god, wouldn't you know, the graph you are complaining about began that very next month. Wow, what a coincidence.
    Last edited by whysoserious; 10-25-11 at 12:45 AM.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I have offered no conspiracy. It began to look like the Marxist was going to win starting in October a month before the election. Job losses greatly increased.
    The Marxist won. Job losses continued at very high numbers for another four months.
    Conspiracy | Define Conspiracy at Dictionary.com
    conspiracy theory 
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    a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
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    the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.
    Isn't that your entire argument? A conspiracy theory? That some giant cabal of businessmen thought, "Like, oh my god, Obama might get elected, let's fire some people". And your amazing ability to read one chart has led you to this belief, despite not one other person ever claiming it? Seriously, cite me a source in June of '08 that says, "Jobs being lost because Obama might get elected", and I'll leave the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is a reasonable question. Is it the correct question? Do you believe the graph shown helps in any way to understand in any way why jobs were lost beginning in early 2008? I don't see it. Do you? How, in this graph, is the market crash correlated? I do not see that either?

    We know it is possible to use a graph to mislead, to lie, to manipulate. This graph is evidence.
    The point of the graph is not to determine what caused the loss in jobs. Everyone knows what caused that except you. The point of the graph is to show economic trends - such as when jobs began to be lost and when they started to come back. Jesus H. Christ.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Here Marxist guy:

    The recession began in Dec 2007.

    *Edit to add:

    And oh my god, wouldn't you know, the graph you are complaining about began that very next month. Wow, what a coincidence.
    You may make whatever excuse you like.

    What did the graph, shown the way it was shown tell you? Was this recession deeper or did it come on more swiftly that the earlier recession?

    Or did it just paint a picture that we can spend a few trillions of dollars and save public sector union jobs for about a year?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You may make whatever excuse you like.

    What did the graph, shown the way it was shown tell you? Was this recession deeper or did it come on more swiftly that the earlier recession?

    Or did it just paint a picture that we can spend a few trillions of dollars and save public sector union jobs for about a year?
    It showed me that job real job loss began in Jan '08 to which it progressively got worse until Jan '09, at which time it trended upward until we finally began adding jobs in Apr '10. Since then, we have added jobs in every month since.

    What did you get out of it?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Isn't that your entire argument? A conspiracy theory? That some giant cabal of businessmen thought, "Like, oh my god, Obama might get elected, let's fire some people". And your amazing ability to read one chart has led you to this belief, despite not one other person ever claiming it? Seriously, cite me a source in June of '08 that says, "Jobs being lost because Obama might get elected", and I'll leave the thread.
    Do you see that huge spike of job losses in October? Why did they happen? Below you said you know.
    Why was this recession so much deeper than the previous recession? The graph plots job losses against time. We know what happened on the first Tuesday in November of 2008. Put a little tick mark by the left most edge of November 2008. Put Obama under the tick mark.



    The point of the graph is not to determine what caused the loss in jobs. Everyone knows what caused that except you. The point of the graph is to show economic trends - such as when jobs began to be lost and when they started to come back. Jesus H. Christ.
    There were no economic trends in this graph. There was only job losses for a very narrow period of time. A very symmetrical period of time.

    I understand that you want to support a lie. It is not a big deal. You choose to be dishonest. I get it.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 10-25-11 at 01:03 AM.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There were not economic trends in this graph. There was only job losses for a very narrow period of time. A very symmetrical period of time.

    I understand that you want to support a lie. It is not a big deal. You choose to be dishonest. I get it.
    You wouldn't call a steady decline every month for a year a trend? You wouldn't call a stead incline every month for 1 year and 8 months a trend? I don't think you know what a trend is.

    This is ridiculous that you are allowed to troll this thread with such inane arguments. You make Conservative look like he has a PhD in Statistics.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It showed me that job real job loss began in Jan '08 to which it progressively got worse until Jan '09, at which time it trended upward until we finally began adding jobs in Apr '10. Since then, we have added jobs in every month since.

    What did you get out of it?
    This chart? I got very little as it was presented. But when I compared it to the previous recession it looks as if it was nearly twice as deep. What was the major difference? In my opinion the business people knew they were about to get socked in the gut by the Marxist and his duo.

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