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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Hint: Its more than $25,000 a year. The top 1% I believe starts around $396,000.
    So per the '09 tax tables the top 1% had an aggregate AGI of $1.964t. I doubt it went up substantially given the recent economy. Also consider the deficits we have been running the last 2-3yrs. Do you think taxing them is plausable? At what rate?


    Perhaps I missed the part where you explained how the 3 planes hitting buildings (in an of itself) had any permanent effect on the markets. Please reference the post where you went into that.
    The original point was about the immediate effect it had. No one said 'permanent' that your refer to.

    It works the opposite of what has been done over the last 30 years, where taxes have been increased on the middle class to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. The only difference is that more progressive taxes allow greater stimulation of our consumer based economy, because more people have money to spend.
    Ambigious.

    If I had not personally witnessed the failure of trickle down economics for the last 30 years, you might be able to sell me on its continuation. Thanks, but no thanks!
    Me too for 32yrs but it worked for me. What did you do wrong?

    I guess you need to understand the connection between wealth and power to see how the top 1% owning most of the wealth in the country does not allow an even playing field.
    But...wealth is not taxed in this country. How will this pay for the increase in public employees?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Here's a better one: Is it more likely that someone who hadn't even taken office yet caused downward trends in every market (hell he hadn't even been elected when the downward trends started) or that a massive economic collapse in multiple different areas of the economy would cause that to happen?

    I'll let you choose. I do admit, it was very unfortunate for Obama that he got elected right in the thick of things - the depression was already in full swing, and his entire presidency has been about trying to slowly drag the economy back up to par.
    Once it was clear, in about October, that the Marxist stood a very good chance of being elected, why wouldn't successful people protect their businesses from the damage the Marxist said he intended to do to them? Why would they wait? Do you think sensible people would wait for the nemesis to actually seize power before starting the process of protecting themselves from the Marxist and his fellow-travelers, Reid and Pelosi?

    I believe that the brightest figured it out and begin to shed the marginal jobs. This is the one term Marxist's doing. In my very humble opinion, of course. My intuition fits the data.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you his mouthpiece? When he fats do you burp?


    Did he select the graph, or didn't he? Did he intentionally misrepresent the data to make a point? If so he lacks integrity.

    One of the (many) points of the books is that it is very easy to lie by doing exactly what Power did. He failed to show all of the numbers. He wet for the dramatic flair instead of the truth. While Bush was president did the private sector create around 3 million jobs? Would you assume that from his graph?
    You clearly have not read the thread. poweRob is not here to attack Bush, he is here defending Obama. Almost all of this thread has been a slander of Obama's numbers by a member named Conservative, who has said that Obama is responsible for the downturn of the economy. The point of his graph is to show the downturn began before Obama took office, and it has literally nothing to do with Bush. You are making this about Bush and the previous numbers, not him.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sorry for not being the network administrator at that website or I would have it up and running for you immediately.
    Your excuse in not acceptable.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The graph was made by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It is not dishonest because the point of the graph is not to imply blame, but rather to show trends. The graph shows the beginning of the downward trend all the way up to present day. There is no reason to show anything else, but no one cares about what was going on before the downward trend began. It is only you who is putting any sort of partisan spin on the chart that makes you think it is dishonest.
    Now you know you can choose to show data one way or another. Some ways are dishonest. Others are less so. This was dishonest. It confounds intuition rather than informing it. It is a lie through omission of complete data.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Once it was clear, in about October, that the Marxist stood a very good chance of being elected, why wouldn't successful people protect their businesses from the damage the Marxist said he intended to do to them? Why would they wait? Do you think sensible people would wait for the nemesis to actually seize power before starting the process of protecting themselves from the Marxist and his fellow-travelers, Reid and Pelosi?

    I believe that the brightest figured it out and begin to shed the marginal jobs. This is the one term Marxist's doing. In my very humble opinion, of course. My intuition fits the data.
    Well then, you obviously did not listen to the news much in '08. Obama wasn't even a twinkle in people's eyes when this economic downturn began. Do you not remember the housing market crash? I am slightly confused. If you need a refresher, I can help you on that subject.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Now you know you can choose to show data one way or another. Some ways are dishonest. Others are less so. This was dishonest. It confounds intuition rather than informing it. It is a lie through omission of complete data.
    What is the lie? How could that data lie? Data doesn't lie, only how you interpret it. Are you misinterpreting the data?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You clearly have not read the thread. poweRob is not here to attack Bush, he is here defending Obama. Almost all of this thread has been a slander of Obama's numbers by a member named Conservative, who has said that Obama is responsible for the downturn of the economy. The point of his graph is to show the downturn began before Obama took office, and it has literally nothing to do with Bush. You are making this about Bush and the previous numbers, not him.
    A lie is a lie. Whether one is attacking Bush or defending Obama, if one's methods include shaving the data, misinforming through statistics, then one simply lacks integrity.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    A lie is a lie. Whether one is attacking Bush or defending Obama, if one's methods include shaving the data, misinforming through statistics, then one simply lacks integrity.
    How is he shaving the data? When does it end? Does he need to show the numbers as long as history records them? Generally, when showing numbers, you only show the numbers that are relevant, and in the case of job loss, that's what you are looking at. Why would the Bureau of Labor Statistics feel the need to "shave" numbers?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yes. But you are confusing me with whomever made the reagan stats comments. That wasn't me. As I stated above, the one link you couldn't get to it appears the NationalJournal.com website is down as a whole. When it comes up the link will work again. Sorry for not being the network administrator at that website or I would have it up and running for you immediately.
    I see now. Whyso used your post as a crutch to validate his claim. He then made up the rest to 'make a point'. In review it looks like his point was 'your dumb...I can be dumb too'.

    Sorry for the confusion.

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