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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I have a wonderful book called How to Lie with Statistics. What does the entire data set look like for both presidents?
    Did the entire Bush presidency occur after Jan 08?
    Are you just sloppy? Or, despite your Marine background, do you lack integrity?
    He didn't make that graph, it came from bls.gov - so unless you are saying that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is lying and has no integrity, then you might want to relax a bit.. Have you even read this thread at all? Please, go back 5-6 pages to see where Conservative was using random data from any given point in time that he chose to prove a point. The point of that graph is to show trends, that's why it started where it did. Maybe you should try reading your book.

    Intentionally misrepresenting another person's statistics is a Marxist thing to do, you damn Marxist DP poster.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You're a Marxist.
    GREAT COMEBACK!!! I know I am but what are you????

    Please notify us when you graduate grade school.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, merely inquiring how one defines 'rich'. If it is 'not poor, i.e. in poverty' then yes, the low end of the bracket is around $25k/yr.
    Hint: Its more than $25,000 a year. The top 1% I believe starts around $396,000.


    You missed the point. A reaction, or 'over-reaction' requires an intitial action. Would the market have fallen if the planes had NOT hit the building?
    Perhaps I missed the part where you explained how the 3 planes hitting buildings (in an of itself) had any permanent effect on the markets. Please reference the post where you went into that.

    HUH? You take from consumers via taxation then create new employees, give them the taken money and the consumers have more??? How does that work?
    It works the opposite of what has been done over the last 30 years, where taxes have been increased on the middle class to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. The only difference is that more progressive taxes allow greater stimulation of our consumer based economy, because more people have money to spend.

    The rich are going to get theirs as the BANKING system is gamed for them to capitalize on it. The 'poor' can also if they tried. But your supposition to correct this is to hire more government employees is misdirected resources.
    If I had not personally witnessed the failure of trickle down economics for the last 30 years, you might be able to sell me on its continuation. Thanks, but no thanks!

    Do the 'rich' have exclusive rights to the infrastructure? Aren't all those who use infrastructure ABLE to use it to create wealth?
    I guess you need to understand the connection between wealth and power to see how the top 1% owning most of the wealth in the country does not allow an even playing field.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Correlation does not imply causation, and you chose a fantastic example to prove that rule. There is simply no way someone can cause 700,000 jobs to be lost simply by being inaugurated.
    Granted on the first. But why do you believe the second?

    The Marxist's election was an unprecedented disaster for the nation. Why wouldn't successful people, knowing what was coming, have done what they could to protect their businesses?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Granted on the first. But why do you believe the second?

    The Marxist's election was an unprecedented disaster for the nation. Why wouldn't successful people, knowing what was coming, have done what they could to protect their businesses?
    Here's a better one: Is it more likely that someone who hadn't even taken office yet caused downward trends in every market (hell he hadn't even been elected when the downward trends started) or that a massive economic collapse in multiple different areas of the economy would cause that to happen?

    I'll let you choose. I do admit, it was very unfortunate for Obama that he got elected right in the thick of things - the depression was already in full swing, and his entire presidency has been about trying to slowly drag the economy back up to par.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Notice the graph and which presidency was headed in the wrong direction and which president was headed in the right direction.

    Attachment 67117476

    See how the Fascist president prior to 2009 inauguration was going in the wrong direction?
    But Power, you are dishonest. Your selected graph does not tell the whole story, does it? Do you simply lack integrity?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    But Power, you are dishonest. Your selected graph does not tell the whole story, does it? Do you simply lack integrity?
    The graph was made by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It is not dishonest because the point of the graph is not to imply blame, but rather to show trends. The graph shows the beginning of the downward trend all the way up to present day. There is no reason to show anything else, but no one cares about what was going on before the downward trend began. It is only you who is putting any sort of partisan spin on the chart that makes you think it is dishonest.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    He didn't make that graph, it came from bls.gov - so unless you are saying that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is lying and has no integrity, then you might want to relax a bit.. Have you even read this thread at all? Please, go back 5-6 pages to see where Conservative was using random data from any given point in time that he chose to prove a point. The point of that graph is to show trends, that's why it started where it did. Maybe you should try reading your book.

    Intentionally misrepresenting another person's statistics is a Marxist thing to do, you damn Marxist DP poster.
    Are you his mouthpiece? When he farts do you burp?

    Did he select the graph, or didn't he? Did he intentionally misrepresent the data to make a point? If so he lacks integrity.

    One of the (many) points of the books is that it is very easy to lie by doing exactly what Power did. He failed to show all of the numbers. He went for the dramatic flair instead of the truth. While Bush was president did the private sector create around 3 million jobs? Would you assume that from his graph?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    But Power, you are dishonest. Your selected graph does not tell the whole story, does it? Do you simply lack integrity?
    Private sector job growth was never that great during Bush43's tenure:

    Instead, it is because job gains in the private sector were modest even after the economy recovered from the 2001 recession. In 2005, private sector employment rose 2 percent, the best annual growth rate during the Bush administration, but the rate fell to 1.4 percent in 2006 and 0.7 percent in 2007. In contrast, in six of the eight Clinton years growth was above 2 percent.
    With the economy clearly slowing as the final year of Mr. Bush’s presidency begins, it is possible that the overall rate of growth in private sector employment for his presidency, now at 0.53 percent per year, could fall below the 0.41 percent rate of his father’s administration, which had been the lowest of any president since World War II.
    The administration of Dwight Eisenhower currently ranks next to last in that regard, with a 0.50 percent annual rate of growth. It was damaged by a 1.8 percent decline in jobs in 1960, his final year in office, when a recession was one factor in his party’s loss of the White House.

    Job Growth Where Bush Didn’t Want It - New York Times

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Did you not post:

    I think you are touch confused. You were talking to someone else about their sources. If you want my sources you'll find them in this post (Opposition to Obama grows - strongly). And unlike Conservative's, you'll find them exactly where I linked them. No hunting. No deception. Right there.

    Pointing me to it?
    Yes. But you are confusing me with whomever made the reagan stats comments. That wasn't me. As I stated above, the one link you couldn't get to it appears the NationalJournal.com website is down as a whole. When it comes up the link will work again. Sorry for not being the network administrator at that website or I would have it up and running for you immediately.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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