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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Are you KIDDING??? The market dove once opened after 9/11.

    The government CAN produce jobs but HOW are they going to pay for them? Tax the rich??? And what is the collective income of the 'rich'? Around $2t annually (per irs.com). And our deficits have been how much?

    I guess you could say that those in poverty are not the 'rich' so everyone else IS. So lets raise taxes on all those making above $25k/yr so that we can put others to work. Sounds like redistribution to me...and that has worked SO well in history.
    dem tax schemes have never been about efficient collection of revenue. Their beloved death tax wastes more money in avoidance, evasion and compliance than the tax brings it. Its all about pandering to their base and their base's base instincts of class envy and economic vandalism (if I cannot be rich the government should punish those who are).



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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Whoa, those are the numbers buddy. Can you disprove them? I tried to talk to you about context, and every time you said that those were real numbers and context didn't matter. Well guess what, so are these. Obviously you are too thick to understand that I am only parodying your "numbers" with numbers of my own. What do my numbers mean? Nothing, just like yours mean nothing because neither of them have context.


    But as long as you keep spamming that nonsense, I'll be right here spamming it next to you:






    Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
    Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
    Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
    Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
    Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
    Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
    Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
    Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
    From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
    In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
    In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
    President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.

    My so called spam relates to the thread topic, yours are downright distortions of past history. You apparently don't understand the difference. It does appear that you don't realize when Obama economic policy was passed into law and thus went into effect nor do you understand anything about what Reagan inherited nor when his or Bush's economic policies went into effect. I purposely put 2011 economic results in the numbers and compared those results to when he took office. why aren't you doing the same thing with Reagan and Bush. Further the 2011 GDP is quite different than the 2010 numbers showing the trends which you seem so concerned about as not being positive.

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My so called spam relates to the thread topic, yours are downright distortions of past history. You apparently don't understand the difference. It does appear that you don't realize when Obama economic policy was passed into law and thus went into effect nor do you understand anything about what Reagan inherited nor when his or Bush's economic policies went into effect. I purposely put 2011 economic results in the numbers and compared those results to when he took office. why aren't you doing the same thing with Reagan and Bush. Further the 2011 GDP is quite different than the 2010 numbers showing the trends which you seem so concerned about as not being positive.

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    How are they distortions? Are they not real data? If any of that is not true, please show me Conservative. I tried to ****ing warn you about context, but you wouldn't listen.


    Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
    Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
    Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
    Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
    Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
    Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
    Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
    Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
    From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
    In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
    In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
    President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Are you KIDDING??? The market dove once opened after 9/11.
    The question is why?

    The government CAN produce jobs but HOW are they going to pay for them? Tax the rich??? And what is the collective income of the 'rich'? Around $2t annually (per irs.com). And our deficits have been how much?
    By increasing the number of employed and improving the economy, there will be more revenue with which to reduce deficits.

    I guess you could say that those in poverty are not the 'rich' so everyone else IS. So lets raise taxes on all those making above $25k/yr so that we can put others to work. Sounds like redistribution to me...and that has worked SO well in history.
    No one is suggesting that, you are just being silly now.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In October when it began to look as if the Marxist would be elected businesses fired non-essential people. Of the 700,000 who lost their jobs, 100,000 may have lost them because he was elected. Then, in Dec, 2008, Jan, Feb and March the number stayed above 700,000 losses per month. The graph ends in April 2011. It is now October of 2011. What does it look like with the additional nearly two years of data?
    First... Marxist president. You are deluded with hate.
    Second... You speculate that the jobs lost on Obama's first month, before he could make any policies and have those policies make have any effect is still his fault because you pulled out of your ass "100,000 may have lost them because he was elected."

    LOL!!!!!!!

    Who needs facts when you can just go with "may have...(pull fake speculation out of your bitter butt)"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What is the cumulative job loss, say from Dec 07 to the present? Do we have a net gain in jobs, or a net loss of jobs? We know the answer is a net loss of jobs. How many of the nearly 3 million net loss can be attributed to the numbers between Dec 07 and Dec 08, when President Bush was still in office? Was it about 2 million (just from eyeballing the graph)? How many jobs do we need for the private sector to create to have full employment? Why won't the private sector create those jobs?
    bush-vs-obama-total-private-jobs-full-picture-april-data.jpg

    There you go.

    The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office.
    linkypoo...
    You're boy Bush was a total economic failure as was his dad.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post

    Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
    Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
    Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
    Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
    Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
    Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
    Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
    Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
    From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
    In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
    In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
    President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
    Source please.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    How are they distortions? Are they not real data? If any of that is not true, please show me Conservative. I tried to ****ing warn you about context, but you wouldn't listen.


    Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
    Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
    Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
    Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
    Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
    Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
    Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
    Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
    From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
    In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
    In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
    President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
    The data below is 2 3/4 into the Obama Administration, you did no such thing with either Bush or Reagan

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The question is why?



    By increasing the number of employed and improving the economy, there will be more revenue with which to reduce deficits.



    No one is suggesting that, you are just being silly now.
    Who is silly?
    Why? Because three planes flew into three buildings...Would you want us to believe that this would happen and we would not react? It is YOUR opinion that there was any overeaction. You cannot argue that the amount of reaction is subjective. But planes into buildings and market dives are FACTS...?

    No, employing more and paying them by taken from others does not increase revenue but merely redistributes it. What is the definition of the 'revenue' that you speak of? What product does the government produce that is valuble to the market?

    The question still remains...how would you pay for this increase in public employees? We are already overspending.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    First... Marxist president. You are deluded with hate.
    Second... You speculate that the jobs lost on Obama's first month, before he could make any policies and have those policies make have any effect is still his fault because you pulled out of your ass "100,000 may have lost them because he was elected."

    LOL!!!!!!!

    Who needs facts when you can just go with "may have...(pull fake speculation out of your bitter butt)"?

    tinfoilhat.jpg



    bush-vs-obama-total-private-jobs-full-picture-april-data.jpg

    There you go.



    You're boy Bush was a total economic failure as was his dad.
    Still waiting for the chart showing private sector growth. Doubt you ever checked out what you posted because that is what you want to believe Here are the private sector numbers that should have been used for that chart

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: CES0500000001
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Super Sector: Total private
    Industry: Total private
    NAICS Code: -
    Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
    Years: 2001 to 2011

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 111634 111624 111555 111227 111146 110910 110737 110544 110276 109918 109575 109368
    2002 109214 109054 108989 108892 108814 108824 108732 108671 108659 108772 108758 108595
    2003 108640 108484 108286 108252 108274 108233 108231 108266 108421 108570 108611 108724
    2004 108882 108913 109213 109437 109747 109841 109883 109984 110135 110465 110493 110624
    2005 110718 110949 111095 111441 111583 111847 112122 112311 112392 112492 112796 112934
    2006 113247 113533 113795 113961 113965 114049 114200 114347 114432 114438 114628 114803
    2007 114993 115051 115251 115308 115419 115469 115486 115391 115396 115470 115568 115606
    2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
    2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
    2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
    2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109212 109349

    Let's see if you can figure out that 110.981 million is more than 109.349 million. Looks like it is 1.6 million less than when he took office

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Source please.
    Where are you on Conservative's unsourced nonstop cut & pastes garbage? lol
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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