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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wow, pardon me for not responding to your novel as what matters are the following, what is happening right now and what the American people actually see. Do you really believe the Americna electorate is going to compare Obama to Bush? Why was Obama hired in the first place. These are the results he generated

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    Exactly. Don't say I never analyzed your numbers or put them into context, because I clearly did, and you clearly had no idea what it meant when I did. Hey Conservative, those 1935 dollars don't mean anything today!!!

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Another opportunity to explain the numbers to me since no voter is going to inflation adjust the numbers or compare them to historical data. They are what they are today, what inflation have we had since he took office? How do you apply inflation to the unemployment and employment numbers? why was Obama hired in the first place and how do these results help his re-election?

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    What year are those GDP dollars in? (I bet he still doesn't know after I told him)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What year are those GDP dollars in? (I bet he still doesn't know after I told him)
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Exactly. Don't say I never analyzed your numbers or put them into context, because I clearly did, and you clearly had no idea what it meant when I did. Hey Conservative, those 1935 dollars don't mean anything today!!!
    No, you put them in your context, not the context of the election or what is going on today. The results are what they are, what affect has inflation had on unemployment and employment numbers? Think the American voter gives a damn about inflation driven dollars? How will that affect the election of 2012?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What year are those GDP dollars in? (I bet he still doesn't know after I told him)
    The same year that the 2010 numbers were reported in and what you fail to understand is that 2011 is worse than 2010 and that is a trend you don't want to acknowledge. How do you justify voting for someone who has generated worse numbers today than even last year? what inflation have we had in the last two years and why is the misery index rising. The only ones that igonre the Obama results are liberals like you who want to make it an intellectual discussion, there is no intellectual way to interpret the Obama results positively and you have yet to try

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Republicans; You Lie! Tax Cuts For The Wealthy Do NOT Create Jobs!

    "Republicans blamed uncertainty about the BushTax cuts being extended for the lack of job creation. They told us the wealthy were scared to create new jobs, because they were worried that their taxes would go up. Democrats agreed to pay the ransom, millions of poor and middle-class people continued to receive their unemployment checks in time for Christmas. The Republicans got what they wanted; an extended 3% tax cut for the “job creators” in our economy, people like Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, and their billionaire patrons; the Koch brothers.

    That was December of 2010.

    It’s now the middle of 2011. Last month in June only 18,000 jobs were created, less than the number that were created in May. Republicans told us that the ‘job creators’, the people with all the money, were just uncertain about their tax rates, but those were extended for another 2 years so why aren’t they using that money to create jobs yet?

    Furthermore, those tax cuts were put into place in 2001, so why haven’t they been creating jobs since 2001? If those tax cuts spur job growth we should have seen an increase in jobs during the Bush Administration, but instead we saw a massive loss."
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Republicans; You Lie! Tax Cuts For The Wealthy Do NOT Create Jobs!

    "Republicans blamed uncertainty about the BushTax cuts being extended for the lack of job creation. They told us the wealthy were scared to create new jobs, because they were worried that their taxes would go up. Democrats agreed to pay the ransom, millions of poor and middle-class people continued to receive their unemployment checks in time for Christmas. The Republicans got what they wanted; an extended 3% tax cut for the “job creators” in our economy, people like Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, and their billionaire patrons; the Koch brothers.

    That was December of 2010.

    It’s now the middle of 2011. Last month in June only 18,000 jobs were created, less than the number that were created in May. Republicans told us that the ‘job creators’, the people with all the money, were just uncertain about their tax rates, but those were extended for another 2 years so why aren’t they using that money to create jobs yet?

    Furthermore, those tax cuts were put into place in 2001, so why haven’t they been creating jobs since 2001? If those tax cuts spur job growth we should have seen an increase in jobs during the Bush Administration, but instead we saw a massive loss."
    Is this what you hired Obama to do?

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Is this what you hired Obama to do?

    Obama economic results in 2011,
    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    Conservative gets debunked

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059901349
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-u...post1059891740
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    -Jryan

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    I agree that the Republicans should play the game and pass this bill out of the Senate. Then the TEA Party Republicans can kill it in the House.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you put them in your context, not the context of the election or what is going on today. The results are what they are, what affect has inflation had on unemployment and employment numbers? Think the American voter gives a damn about inflation driven dollars? How will that affect the election of 2012?
    Oh you don't care about context at all? Really? So let me post some numbers about Bush and Reagan and we'll see whether they were good presidents to you then (I'm wasting my time this guy is so thick):

    Click "Percent Change From Preceding Period" for these numbers in an Excel sheet (in 2005 dollars)

    Reagan GDP Changes
    1981 Q2: -3.2%
    1981 Q3: 4.9%
    1981 Q4: -4.9%
    1982 Q1: -6.4%

    Wow, Reagan was a ****ing bad president.

    Bush GDP Changes
    2008 Q1: -1.8%
    2008 Q2: 1.3%
    2008 Q3: -3.7%
    2008 Q4: -8.9%

    Holy ****, Bush was even worse! How do conservatives like these guys!?!?! Like-omg Mrs Carta!

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    Misery Index By President
    Misery Index 2008

    Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
    Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47

    Wow, those guys are bad!

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    Unemployment Rate History By Year (Next to "Annual Average Data" click PDF)

    Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
    Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%

    Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008.

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    From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.

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    Presidential Approval Ratings History - Interactive Comparison Graph - WSJ.com
    In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.

    In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.

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    From Debt by the Penny, President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt from Sept '07 to Sept '09.

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