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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Hey, take your best shot, prove the numbers I have posted are wrong?
    Why don't you actually cite your sources instead of a week, little (bls.gov)

    .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
    1. Real GDP increased at an annual rate of 1.3 percent in the second quarter of 2011, (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.4 percent.

    U.S. Economy at a Glance

    25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
    Well I found: Unemployed: 13,700,000
    Part-time but looking for full-time: 8,900,000
    Marginally Attached and Discouraged Workers: 2,100,000

    Adding that up, you get 24.7 million, a big under the "25+ million" you claim. There are those math skills hard at work.

    2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
    Show me the source on this one as I am unable to find it.

    4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
    You open with "Obama Economic Record in 2011" then said last 3 years...

    Using the Treasury's Historical Debt Results:

    12/31/2010 (Public Debt) 9,390,476,088,043.35 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,634,739,130,665.17 (Total Public Debt) 14,025,215,218,708.52
    10/21/2011 (Public Debt) 10,201,754,496,207.72 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,737,478,051,777.36 (Total Public Debt) 14,939,232,547,985.08

    Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
    How exactly is this directly Obama's fault?

    Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
    2000 7.35 Clinton
    2001 7.59 Bush, G.W.
    2002 7.37
    2003 8.26
    2004 8.21
    2005 8.48
    2006 7.87
    2007 7.46
    2008 9.61
    2009 8.92 Obama
    2010 11.29

    Also, on a side note, during 1980 - the Misery Index was the record highest. Obama's Misery Index is lower than the first 5 years of Reagan's and barely larger than his next three. *Just throwin' that out there*

    38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
    Disapproval - 50%
    Approval - 42%

    Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If you don't think his facts are right, by all means, prove them wrong. But if you want to sit here and tell me to go prove something wrong that I think is right; then, you have lost your mind.
    I have proven them wrong. You ignored the post.

    Here is the lost jobs from the actual BLS chart, prove those numbers wrong

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2010

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
    2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

    You will notice that the end of January 2009 the total employment was 142.2 and the end of August it was 139.6 or a 2.6 million employment loss. Amazing what you can find when you actually do research

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    You know, if all of conservatives posts were as well thought out as zgolds last one, he would actually be fun to debate.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    zgoldsmith23;1059901169]Why don't you actually cite your sources instead of a week, little (bls.gov)



    1. Real GDP increased at an annual rate of 1.3 percent in the second quarter of 2011, (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.4 percent.
    Incredible GDP numbers, isn't it. How does that compare to 2010? Aren't those the numbers I posted in the Obama results?


    Well I found: Unemployed: 13,700,000
    Part-time but looking for full-time: 8,900,000
    Marginally Attached and Discouraged Workers: 2,100,000

    Adding that up, you get 24.7 million, a big under the "25+ million" you claim. There are those math skills hard at work.
    LOL, thanks for playing, I took the labor force X 16.5% and came up with 25.4 million. I will gladlly accept your 24.7 million which I am sure you are proud of.


    Show me the source on this one as I am unable to find it.

    Posted it above

    You open with "Obama Economic Record in 2011" then said last 3 years...

    Using the Treasury's Historical Debt Results:

    12/31/2010 (Public Debt) 9,390,476,088,043.35 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,634,739,130,665.17 (Total Public Debt) 14,025,215,218,708.52
    10/21/2011 (Public Debt) 10,201,754,496,207.72 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,737,478,051,777.36 (Total Public Debt) 14,939,232,547,985.08

    Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
    Going to have to change my numbers it is now 14.9 trillion, thanks for correcting that. that means 4.3 trillion added to the debt since he controlled Congress and the WH for 2009-2010 and the Senate in 2011


    2000 7.35 Clinton
    2001 7.59 Bush, G.W.
    2002 7.37
    2003 8.26
    2004 8.21
    2005 8.48
    2006 7.87
    2007 7.46
    2008 9.61
    2009 8.92 Obama
    2010 11.29

    Also, on a side note, during 1980 - the Misery Index was the record highest. Obama's Misery Index is lower than the first 5 years of Reagan's and barely larger than his next three. *Just throwin' that out there*
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    So again you stop in 2010, is there a reason for that? Keep going, the link will give you the current one which I am sure you now recognize that I was right

    Disapproval - 50%
    Approval - 42%

    Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
    When I copied the data it was actually 39% and seems to fluctuate between the 39-42% which is within the margin of error.

    Looks like you won't be disputing my data any more, thanks for posting

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No question about it, jobs will be on the ballot in 2008 and no President in modern history post 1950 has ever been re-elected with unemployment higher than 8%. The current Obama unemployment is over 9.7% when you add discourged workers back where they belong into unemployment. You keep buying Obama rhetoric and ignoring Obama results. Obama tells you what you want to hear and because he is a liberal you cannot accept the fact that he is lying to you.
    All the polls (which I have referenced) are showing a majority of Americans support the president's jobs bill. Where are the polls showing a majority support for the GOP jobs plan?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You know, if all of conservatives posts were as well thought out as zgolds last one, he would actually be fun to debate.
    Well thought out and proving that my data was correct. Guess you missed that part

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All the polls (which I have referenced) are showing a majority of Americans support the president's jobs bill. Where are the polls showing a majority support for the GOP jobs plan?
    The jobs bill is dead as is your President. Keep buying his lies and keep ignoring his record. Democrats cannot even support his program

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Why are you guys feeding this troll? He can't read a statistic to save his life.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why are you guys feeding this troll? He can't read a statistic to save his life.

    Aw, another liberal to participate in the politics of personal destruction and ignoring the data to attack the messenger. You don't like the data, vote for another President

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, another liberal to participate in the politics of personal destruction and ignoring the data to attack the messenger. You don't like the data, vote for another President
    You have no message. You can't even read the data, as I've shown in the past. How are you going to talk GDP when you can't understand inflation? All you do is spam random numbers over and over again, which makes you about as useful as a forum bot.

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