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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Swit;1059897620]Fine I will play your silly game...

    1. They don't technically nether do government expenditures, your boy Cheney said it best Debt doesn't matter
    What does Cheney have to do with the question I raised that you again dodged which shows the problem with liberalism. You don't remember hearing "your" President claim that tax cuts have to be paid for? why does someone else keeping more of their money create an expense to the govt. when as you stated you keeping more of your own money isn't an expense?

    2. What you just described is deception not debate..... they are mutually exclusive
    Only in the liberal world is providing facts, logic, and common sense deception. You see, I used logic to defeat the liberal claims that tax cuts are an expense. If you keeping more of your own money isn't an expense then why is someone else keeping more of theirs an expense?

    3. Can you please point to the population requirement in you original question.... oh wait you can't it wasn't there.... can you point to the requirement that it must have the same geography.... no that's right you cant it wasn't there.
    Prove that Taiwan single payer system has lowered costs and improved quality? Population and geography are a huge part of any single payer system.


    your exact quote:


    See population requirement.... no.
    See geographical requirement.... no.

    Are you a retard.... yes.
    Aw, see what I mean, when confused with facts, logic, and common sense you resort to name calling. That is why you can never have an honest debate with a liberal. Liberals can never admit when wrong which obviously I just proved you wrong

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Earlier you were attempting to lecture others on how to debate. Apparently you left "insult" off your list.
    Look I am assuming he is a grown up.... if I am mistaken then fine.... He is not debating... he is trolling... please explain why I should extend him any more courtesy than I already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Look I am assuming he is a grown up.... if I am mistaken then fine.... He is not debating... he is trolling... please explain why I should extend him any more courtesy than I already have.
    Don't feed the trolls man.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Look I am assuming he is a grown up.... if I am mistaken then fine.... He is not debating... he is trolling... please explain why I should extend him any more courtesy than I already have.
    Liberal definition of trolling= providing facts, logic, and common sense that refute those liberal feelings and opinions. Obviously you don't like being challenged but you are gong to have to learn to accept verifiable facts that destroy those liberal feelings and opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Liberal definition of trolling= providing facts, logic, and common sense that refute those liberal feelings and opinions. Obviously you don't like being challenged but you are gong to have to learn to accept verifiable facts that destroy those liberal feelings and opinions
    If you read this post and don't analyze it, what good has this post done? If you read data and don't analyze it, what good has reading that data done?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If you read this post and don't analyze it, what good has this post done? If you read data and don't analyze it, what good has reading that data done?
    Data has been analyzed, how do you analyze 25 million unemployed and under Employed Americans? Is that more or less than anything Bush had? How do you analyze 2.6 million fewer jobs today thus a declining labor force? How do you analyze 4.2 trillion added to the debt in 3 years? How do you analyze a rising misery index and all this 3 years after taking office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Data has been analyzed, how do you analyze 25 million unemployed and under Employed Americans? Is that more or less than anything Bush had? How do you analyze 2.6 million fewer jobs today thus a declining labor force? How do you analyze 4.2 trillion added to the debt in 3 years? How do you analyze a rising misery index and all this 3 years after taking office?
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    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    WYou don't remember hearing "your" President claim that tax cuts have to be paid for? why does someone else keeping more of their money create an expense to the govt. when as you stated you keeping more of your own money isn't an expense?

    RE:

    H.R. 2 Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003

    ESTIMATED COST TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

    The estimated budgetary impact of H.R. 2 is shown in following table. Most of the budgetary effects of the legislation are reductions in revenues. However, the bill also would increase outlays by making various changes to the income tax brackets and rates of taxation. By reducing the amount of taxes owed, those changes would result in a larger portion of tax credits being refundable--and thus recorded as outlays rather than reductions in revenues. The act also would increase the child credit, which is refundable under the tax code and counted as outlays in the budget to the extent that it results in "refunds" of income taxes not actually paid. In addition, H.R. 2 would increase outlays by increasing the federal share of Medicaid spending in 2003 and 2004 and by providing funds directly to states.


    Direct Spending

    Outlays from Refundable Tax Credits. JCT provided the outlay effects resulting from the refundable tax credits contained in titles I and III of the bill. JCT estimates that enacting those provisions would increase outlays by $3.6 billion in 2003 and by $9.5 billion over the 2003-2009 period (with no effects after 2009).
    Fiscal Relief for States. Section 401 of the act would increase the federal share of Medicaid spending in 2003 and 2004 and provide a total of $10 billion in funds for states to use on government services. CBO estimates that these provisions would increase spending by a total of $7.7 billion in 2003 and $12.3 billion in 2004.
    Increase in Medicaid match rate. The federal government pays a portion of the costs for each state's Medicaid program. The federal government's share, known as the federal medical assistance percentage (FMAP), varies for each state and is based on each state's per capita income. Under current law, FMAPs are updated annually to reflect new data on per capita income in each state. The act would change the FMAPs in three ways:

    • The FMAP for the last two quarters of 2003 would equal the higher of the FMAPs (as determined under current law) for 2002 or 2003;
    • The FMAP for the first three quarters of 2004 would equal the higher of the FMAPs (as determined under current law) for 2003 or 2004; and
    • The FMAP for all states would increase by 2.95 percentage points for the last two quarters of 2003 and the first three quarters of 2004.

    These provisions are not mutually exclusive; states could potentially qualify for all three increases. CBO estimates that these provisions would increase federal Medicaid spending by $2.7 billion in 2003 and $7.3 billion in 2004.
    Aid to states. The act would provide $5 billion in each of fiscal years 2003 and 2004 for states to use on maintaining essential government services or to cover the cost of complying with unfunded federal intergovernmental mandates as defined in the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act. Under H.R. 2, payments would be made to the 50 states, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States Virgin Islands, Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa. Such payments would be based on the population of each state, except that the provision would establish minimum payment levels. CBO estimates that this provision would result in outlays of $5 billion in 2003 and $5 billion in 2004.


    H.R. 2, Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Look I am assuming he is a grown up.... if I am mistaken then fine.... He is not debating... he is trolling... please explain why I should extend him any more courtesy than I already have.
    Is there no room for you to post between "courtesy" and "insult" ? Frankly, I find your posts grossly uninformative. I see you posting in a manner that I refer to as "my **** don't stink, but yours does".

    As to all this crap about how "Repubnlicans won't compromise", etc., it is all a crock of ****. We oppose the complete economic direction that Obama has taken, and wants to continue taking, the country. Obama did not need the GOP to get all that he wanted for two years anyway, and he got all that he wanted, and it has all been a massive fail.

    Now he is on the campaign trail as the most partisan President in recent history. Just wanting to give more money to municipal unions via JOBS. We got Biden lecturing fourth graders about how ts all the Republican's fault. We also have Biden claiming rape has gone up 150% because of the GOP (it is down close to 10% actually), and that rape and murder will go higher because of the GOP. The Democrats are going insane in fomenting class warfare and other follies, and we're supposed to meet that halfway ?

    Not just "No", but "Hell NO".
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What does Cheney have to do with the question I raised that you again dodged which shows the problem with liberalism. You don't remember hearing "your" President claim that tax cuts have to be paid for? why does someone else keeping more of their money create an expense to the govt. when as you stated you keeping more of your own money isn't an expense?
    I didn't vote for him... how is he mine.... and fine.... I will give you $1,000,000 if you can show a single post of mine where I made the claim that somehow individuals keeping money is a government expense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in the liberal world is providing facts, logic, and common sense deception. You see, I used logic to defeat the liberal claims that tax cuts are an expense. If you keeping more of your own money isn't an expense then why is someone else keeping more of theirs an expense?
    Ahh but this is clearly not what my response was to.... you said... and I quote:
    My debate style is to confuse liberals with facts, logic, and common sense
    how is adding confusion to a conversation anything other than an attempt at deception?
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Prove that Taiwan single payer system has lowered costs and improved quality? Population and geography are a huge part of any single payer system.
    bold part irrelevant as it was not part of the original request for information further attempts at moving this goal post will be ignored.
    proof
    and if you don't like Taiwan here is Canada's
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, see what I mean, when confused with facts, logic, and common sense you resort to name calling. That is why you can never have an honest debate with a liberal. Liberals can never admit when wrong which obviously I just proved you wrong
    Can you please explain what I was wrong about? k, thnx

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