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Iran accused over Washington terror plot

I'm constantly amazed at how you manage to have every thread derailed into just another attack-the liberals-and-Obama-because-everything's-their-fault thread

I'm amazed at how you get riled up about that, but when someone suggests that 9/11 was an inside job by our government, you're strangely silent.
 
I'm amazed at how you get riled up about that, but when someone suggests that 9/11 was an inside job by our government, you're strangely silent.

Can't speak for everyone, but many like myself have said it was stupid to suggest it was an inside job. Can't we agree stupid silliness is stupid silliness no matter which side does it?
 
What Conservative authors do you like to read, instead?
I don't focus on conservative vs. liberal when I read books on things like foreign policy. I prefer to chose my authors based on their legitimacy.

So I enjoy John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt, Robert Art, Robert Pape, Kenneth Waltz, Alexander Wendt, Robert Keohane and the list goes on and on. And for the record, Mearsheimer and Pape are conservatives - I'm sure some of the others are as well, but I haven't checked.
 
I'm constantly amazed at how you manage to have every thread derailed into just another attack-the liberals-and-Obama-because-everything's-their-fault thread
You must have missed post 98...
 
Can't speak for everyone, but many like myself have said it was stupid to suggest it was an inside job. Can't we agree stupid silliness is stupid silliness no matter which side does it?

I was only pointing out that no one even raised an eyebrow when it was suggested that 9/11 was an inside job and ya'll freaked when someone dared criticize The Messiah.
 
I don't focus on conservative vs. liberal when I read books on things like foreign policy. I prefer to chose my authors based on their legitimacy.

So I enjoy John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt, Robert Art, Robert Pape, Kenneth Waltz, Alexander Wendt, Robert Keohane and the list goes on and on. And for the record, Mearsheimer and Pape are conservatives - I'm sure some of the others are as well, but I haven't checked.

IOW, you've never read Ann Coulter's work, nor chekced her research and have no idea what she's said in any of her books. The Daily KOS says she's bad, so she must be bad. Right?
 
I think Iran is capable of attempting something like this, but I'm also quite skeptical right now. This would be far too convenient for the U.S. and Israel.

If we see a rapid pre-text for war emerging out of this, we'll know what it's really about.
 
IOW, you've never read Ann Coulter's work, nor chekced her research and have no idea what she's said in any of her books. The Daily KOS says she's bad, so she must be bad. Right?
So you ask me who I read, ignore it and then attack me. Nice doing business with you. Enjoy your troll books.
 
I was only pointing out that no one even raised an eyebrow when it was suggested that 9/11 was an inside job and ya'll freaked when someone dared criticize The Messiah.

You would be wrong. Most I know did not support it was an inside job nonsense. Can you find some? Sure. Just as you can find birthers. But neither support what you're saying.
 
Have you seen the books popular with conservatives now-a-days? Every Beck, Coulter, Hannity, O'Reily (to be fair not near as much) book that is on the best seller list basically is 100's of pages just demonizing the left.

The one that amazed me the most is Coulters book "Demonic" which is a whole book demonizing the left based on people on the left demonizing others.
Wow, this is thread relevant. :roll:
 
I think Iran is capable of attempting something like this, but I'm also quite skeptical right now. This would be far too convenient for the U.S. and Israel.

If we see a rapid pre-text for war emerging out of this, we'll know what it's really about.

You should know what it's all about already. Havn't you been warned loud enough and often enough?

It's not like the Jihadists are keeping anything a secret.
 
You should know what it's all about already. Havn't you been warned loud enough and often enough?

It's not like the Jihadists are keeping anything a secret.

oh goodie

show us the proof which connects the jihadists in the iranian government to this plot
 
Wow, this is thread relevant. :roll:

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Nope. And this was...?


Lets everyone get back to the topic. This isn't the book nook and last I checked Ann Coulter wasn't Iranian
 
I cannot take anyone who says "Oh goodie" seriously. It's a thread killer.

You could try and answer this part:
show us the proof which connects the jihadists in the iranian government to this plot

It's not unreasonable, espeically after recent history, to ask for some evidence.
 
You could try and answer this part:


It's not unreasonable, espeically after recent history, to ask for some evidence.

It's very unreasonable !!! We don't know any details of the plot yet, much less the evidence that the government allegedly has. We'll all have to wait until Holder or Obama release it. I'm sure it will begin to dribble out.

The more pressure develops on Holder and the more Obama drops in the polls, the more evidence we'll see and additional sabre rattling will be evident. Ever heard of "wag the dog"???
 
oh goodie

show us the proof which connects the jihadists in the iranian government to this plot

As soon as you show an ounce of proof that this could even in any way be linked to Israel or Saudi Arabia.

For someone who was throwing out rather bold faced unverified guesses earlier you like to jump up and demand proof from other poeple make their guesses
 
It's very unreasonable !!! We don't know any details of the plot yet, much less the evidence that the government allegedly has. We'll all have to wait until Holder or Obama release it. I'm sure it will begin to dribble out.

The more pressure develops on Holder and the more Obama drops in the polls, the more evidence we'll see and additional sabre rattling will be evident. Ever heard of "wag the dog"???

If he has no evidence, how cna he make any claim at all? Really?

And too many have wagged the dog. But we do need to have evidence to support our claims. So does the president or anyone else. Real evidence.
 
You could try and answer this part:


It's not unreasonable, espeically after recent history, to ask for some evidence.

I'm starting to agree with the Leftists.

Following the Viet Nam war where the United States murdered millions of innocent people without provocation, baited the Communists for years, attacked and murdered themselves on 9/11, invaded and murdered millions of Muslims in Iran only for oil, and are now making terrible claims about an innocent Iranian government whose only goal is liberty and freedom for all, I see your point.

What do you suggest we do to help clear the good name of the Iranian government?
 
It's very unreasonable !!! We don't know any details of the plot yet, much less the evidence that the government allegedly has. We'll all have to wait until Holder or Obama release it. I'm sure it will begin to dribble out.

The more pressure develops on Holder and the more Obama drops in the polls, the more evidence we'll see and additional sabre rattling will be evident. Ever heard of "wag the dog"???

There is that possibility.
 
oh goodie

show us the proof which connects the jihadists in the iranian government to this plot

We aren't going to get that proof and you know it. That's a specious argument against. To get it would require the cooperation of Iran and they - I'm really going out on a limb here - would just tell us to piss off. So we can't get that evidence. Just because we can't get to the proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Modern day terrorists are much like old age pirates and privateers. Pirates worked on their own for their own goals, but privateers worked under the table with a nod and a wink from a government. Privateers received supplies and monetary support from government just like we see now. We see this with the Taliban getting help from Pakistan's ISI. It may go higher than that but we can't be certain. This Iranian terror plot is just another example of privateering.

The advantage of privateering/terrorism is that getting proof of governmental support is damn near impossible. That government can easily disavow any association and the soft-headed will simply accept that denunciation.
 
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I'm starting to agree with the Leftists.

Following the Viet Nam war where the United States murdered millions of innocent people without provocation, baited the Communists for years, attacked and murdered themselves on 9/11, invaded and murdered millions of Muslims in Iran only for oil, and are now making terrible claims about an innocent Iranian government whose only goal is liberty and freedom for all, I see your point.

What do you suggest we do to help clear the good name of the Iranian government?

Silly hyperbole doesn't help. Asking for evidence is not the same as saying anyone's name needs cleaning up. War is serious business, so we should make sure we have the facts straight before we go too far down hostile roads.

Ever hear of the Bay of Tonkin? WMDS? It's not like we have a reputation that couldn't use a little cleaning up as well. :coffeepap
 
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