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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    Obama's position was that all we needed to do to get along with Iran is just sit down and talk to them. So he's went from being extremely naive to being Barack Cheney Obama.
    Obama said from the beginning of his presidency he would to talk to Iran without preconditions. I guess that strategy hasn't worked out too well for him.
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, I'm thinking like someone who's interested in a conservative foreign policy and you are clearly unaware of many conservatives who feel the same way if you think that's a "liberal" position. I agree that the Iranians would perceive it as weak. I, however, am not an Iranian. And no, my perception is not irrelevant because I don't believe in starting wars just because the Iranians will think I'm weak if we don't. That's probably one of the dumbest reasons to start a war ever.
    What the US intent is is essentially irrelevant. What is more important is what Iran perceives, and how that affects future actions.
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What the US intent is is essentially irrelevant. What is more important is what Iran perceives, and how that affects future actions.
    I never argued intent is relevant. In fact, I think it's one the most irrelevant aspects of all international politics since it's near impossible for states to effectively communicate their own and interpret each other's intentions.

    My point is that starting a war because Iran would perceive it as weak if we did not is a ridiculous reason to go to war with Iran. We, like all states, determine how we treat other states, in great part according to our knowledge of how they perceive us and our actions in addition to how they will react to our handing of conflicts that we get into with them. However, war is not the only way to handle a country who perceives avoiding war as weak. There are other ways to handle their behavior.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    I don't understand why the administration is creating an international incident over this unless there is much, much more than meets the eye. It's not like they tried to assassinate an American diplomat. If anyone should be huffing and puffing to the UN about it, it's the Saudis. I believe that there were some Iranian Qud's working with Mexican cartels to assassinate the Saudi diplomat; however, it's more than a case of dumb luck that the "cartel" member they met with was a DEA plant.

    Bottom line, they got one bad guy off the street and let another one get away. Hardly worth crowing and slapping one's own back about. Announce it, then go on with the people's business... by that I mean OUR business. If the Saudis want to use us to get back at Iran, I say hell no, dammit. Let the Saudis carry their own damned water. This appears on the surface to be an overstated foreign policy fubar, or a knuckle-headed campaign tactic. Either way, the administration's methods seem... questionable.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    I dont agree with Fox News generally

    But the alleged Iranian plot and this particular Fox News story has me agreeing

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I dont agree with Fox News generally

    But the alleged Iranian plot and this particular Fox News story has me agreeing

    Judge Accuses AG Holder Of Using Iran Assassination Plot To Distract From Fast & Furious Scandal - YouTube
    So, Fox says the whole deal is yet another vast left wing conspiracy by the Obama administration?

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    Since when is sending other people to war having nads?
    Since those of certain ideological persuasion began mistaking testosterone for intelligence (coincides with watching numerous Rambo movies ).

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    So, Fox says the whole deal is yet another vast left wing conspiracy by the Obama administration?
    It is no less plausable then believing Iran is so incompetent as to seek the aid of Mexican drug cartels to kill people and wire $100 000 in money transfers when the US government monitors any transfer over $10 000

    That someone tried to contact the mexican drug cartel to kill and bomb some people is likely, that it was arranged by the Iranian government is not. Iran does have the network and training to do this in house or through one of its associates like Hezbollah, neither of which would trust using mexican drug cartels to do the work
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    They probably used Mexicans for the simple reason that they know they'd be a shoe-in to get into the country. Everybody knows that we don't even attempt to stop Mexicans from entering. And how bad would it look if guns purchased in America in that Fast and Furious gun scandal by the gov't were used to kill a Saudi ambassador in America. Wow......that'd be freaky good for Iran.
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    They probably used Mexicans for the simple reason that they know they'd be a shoe-in to get into the country. Everybody knows that we don't even attempt to stop Mexicans from entering. And how bad would it look if guns purchased in America in that Fast and Furious gun scandal by the gov't were used to kill a Saudi ambassador in America. Wow......that'd be freaky good for Iran.
    Iran or Hezbollah already has assets in the US by most accounts. The large number of Iranian and Lebanese immigrants in the US most likely includes a few operational assets

    As for killing the Saudi ambassador, what would that actually achieve for Iran, other then pissing of Saudi Arabia and the US. It is not like the Saudi Ambassador is the King of Saudi Arabia, his death would not throw Saudi Arabia into turmoil leading to a revolution. The entire plan is idiotic and would achieve no strategic goals for Iran and instead would cause far more headaches for Iran then any potential benifits (of which I cant see any)
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