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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You have a very active imagination, but a poor grasp of historical facts.
    Then enlighten me, what was Libby convicted of again? I was pretty sure that obstruction of justice was among the charges. I am pretty sure that I didn't make that up.
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    And none of this proves anything other than Fitz found no evidence of criminal activity by Cheney.
    Well, ymmv, but it also seems to have proven that Libby lied and obstructed justice.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Then enlighten me, what was Libby convicted of again? I was pretty sure that obstruction of justice was among the charges. I am pretty sure that I didn't make that up.
    Well, ymmv, but it also seems to have proven that Libby lied and obstructed justice.
    Yes Libby was, but that has nothing to do with the "mastermind" or Cheney does it? Libby's inconsequential misstatements did not point any fingers toward his boss.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yes Libby was, but that has nothing to do with the "mastermind" or Cheney does it?
    I assume that the definition of "nothing" that you're using makes that true.
    But I really went over all of this multiple times when it was current. I am un-interested in going through all of it again.

    I merely pointed out that Fitzgerald didn't need to be notified that he was unable to complete his mission because he was well aware of that fact.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yes, we do know. The inconsequential lies they caught Libby at had nothing to do with Cheney.

    There is no point to your lame analogy. It's also possible that Wilson outed his own wife to get back at Cheney ............right??? After all, according to you anything is possible, even if it is nonsensical.
    Anything is possible, but that isn't what I said. I said rather clearly that Armitage's actions do not say anything about what Cheney did. It is more than possibile that Cheney was trying to out her no matter what Armitage did or didn't do.

    And who determined Libby's lies were inconsequential? The jury who convicted him? Fitzgerald? Or you?

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You still think Bush faked the WMD evidence?
    Not just Yes, but HELL YES!! There's too much information that came out after the fact that proves he lied, i.e., once secret memos, independent and foreign intelligence reports which one can't deny considering that the GW Bush Administration relied heavily on foreign intel in the first place, not to mention no WMDs were ever found in Iraq nor has their been any evidence proving that same were every relocated to neighboring countries that were sympathetic to Saddem Hussein.

    Claiming that "we got the intel wrong" is just a lame excuse. NO ONE gets that kind of information wrong, information that leds two countries to war! That kind of information had better be right or you cost people their lives. It was all speculation or more accurately trumped up charges, and it cost both sides dearly.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Faked isn't the word I'd use. He simply needed someone to say something he needed said to lead us to war. So he used intel we had that was doubted by our intelligence agencies. That's lying, but not faking.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Faked isn't the word I'd use. He simply needed someone to say something he needed said to lead us to war. So he used intel we had that was doubted by our intelligence agencies. That's lying, but not faking.
    I don't think that Admin faked it either.

    I do think that they presented the evidence in ways that were not honest.
    They intentionally played up the threat from Iraq in various ways and intentionally played down the difficulty of invading Iraq in various ways.

    While we tolerate that sort of dishonest not-quite-lying behavior from car salesmen and Madison Avenue, I, for one, do not find it to be appropriate behavior for so grave of a matter as going to war.
    Imho, that's damnable behavior.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Anything is possible, but that isn't what I said. I said rather clearly that Armitage's actions do not say anything about what Cheney did. It is more than possibile that Cheney was trying to out her no matter what Armitage did or didn't do.

    And who determined Libby's lies were inconsequential? The jury who convicted him? Fitzgerald? Or you?
    Who determined that Cheney was trying to out her, no matter what ???? Fitzgerald? Or you??

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Who determined that Cheney was trying to out her, no matter what ???? Fitzgerald? Or you??
    You're running in a circle. Libby hindered the investigation, so we won't know. Ihat's why I don't claim we know he did. That's why I merely point out it is possible.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're running in a circle. Libby hindered the investigation, so we won't know. Ihat's why I don't claim we know he did. That's why I merely point out it is possible.
    You're the one pulling accusations out of your ass. It's possible that Obama outed Plame too, but not likely. But it's just a provable as your outlandish claims about Cheney that you have no idea about, other than what you read in your left-wing sources.

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