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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i think the government - if they actually had a smoking gun - would have trotted it out for the public to see for itself that iran is a legitimate threat
    that they have not tells me they have nothing


    a long way of saying, yes, holder is lying his ass off
    and please ignore his involvement in fast and furious, including his misstatements
    Ok, why would he lie about it, and why would I ignore his involvement in fast and furious?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, why would he lie about it, and why would I ignore his involvement in fast and furious?
    he is currently in the spot light
    there are some who believe he lied - or at least was evasive - in his sworn testimony before congress
    if he is seen as being hardnosed on terrorists, then some might reconsider their opposition to his presence

    and he may have lied about the saudi murder plot like lies have been told on those 200 other "terrorists" who turned out not to be actual terrorists [that link has been provided twice; don't think it is needed again]

    my biggest reason for doubting holder/government about this is that nothing other than his verbal communication, has been shared with the American people so that we can see for ourselves how deeply iran is connected in this plot
    my belief is that government would make a point for us all to see the smoking gun evidence it had ... if it had any

    what we know we have is a naturalized citizen from iran who has confessed according to holder, but who will plead not guilty according to his attorney:
    ... In fact, Arbabsiar's lawyer, Sabrina Shroff, said her client will plead not guilty if indicted. Apparently he denies involvement despite Holder claiming he confessed. ...
    [same cite]
    the accused is a failed business owner who recently lost his house to foreclosure and his wife soon after. that is who has been trotted out as the plot mastermind
    so, holder, "show me the money"
    let me see for myself that there is a direct link to iran. and the evidence better be more credible than that crap Powell took before the UN to insist iraq had WMDs


    this is more of the same
    the only difference from the days of alberto gonzales is that we no longer have some government official also screaming we are now in code red, orange or yellow
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he is currently in the spot light
    there are some who believe he lied - or at least was evasive - in his sworn testimony before congress
    if he is seen as being hardnosed on terrorists, then some might reconsider their opposition to his presence

    and he may have lied about the saudi murder plot like lies have been told on those 200 other "terrorists" who turned out not to be actual terrorists [that link has been provided twice; don't think it is needed again]

    my biggest reason for doubting holder/government about this is that nothing other than his verbal communication, has been shared with the American people so that we can see for ourselves how deeply iran is connected in this plot
    my belief is that government would make a point for us all to see the smoking gun evidence it had ... if it had any

    what we know we have is a naturalized citizen from iran who has confessed according to holder, but who will plead not guilty according to his attorney: [same cite]
    the accused is a failed business owner who recently lost his house to foreclosure and his wife soon after. that is who has been trotted out as the plot mastermind
    so, holder, "show me the money"
    let me see for myself that there is a direct link to iran. and the evidence better be more credible than that crap Powell took before the UN to insist iraq had WMDs


    this is more of the same
    the only difference from the days of alberto gonzales is that we no longer have some government official also screaming we are now in code red, orange or yellow
    When has the American public ever been shown the actual evidence in a case like this? Other than that, all I got out of your post is that Holder lied because he's part of the Govt and Powell lied (in your opinion) in the past. Right?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    When has the American public ever been shown the actual evidence in a case like this? Other than that, all I got out of your post is that Holder lied because he's part of the Govt and Powell lied (in your opinion) in the past. Right?
    in the case of those 200 alleged 'terrorists'
    NONE of them were found to be actual terrorists. because the government did NOT have the proof, after making the allegations
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in the case of those 200 alleged 'terrorists'
    NONE of them were found to be actual terrorists. because the government did NOT have the proof, after making the allegations
    So? Were you provided the actual evidence in any of those 200 suspected terrorists? Were you provided the evidence that led to their capture in the first place? Were you presented with the evidence/lack of evidence that released them? How many of the 200 were re-apprehended or linked to terrorist activity in Yemen, Iraq, or Afghanistan after being found "not terrorists" the first time?

    How is that the release of these suspected then vindicated terrorists, that were captured, held, tried and released by the USG, has anything at all to do with this case?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So? Were you provided the actual evidence in any of those 200 suspected terrorists? Were you provided the evidence that led to their capture in the first place? Were you presented with the evidence/lack of evidence that released them? How many of the 200 were re-apprehended or linked to terrorist activity in Yemen, Iraq, or Afghanistan after being found "not terrorists" the first time?

    How is that the release of these suspected then vindicated terrorists, that were captured, held, tried and released by the USG, has anything at all to do with this case?
    you are just being obtuse now
    if there was actual evidence to be seen to prosecute those 200 'terrorists'
    then it would have been used to prosecute them for their 'terrorist' acts
    logic 101
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you are just being obtuse now
    if there was actual evidence to be seen to prosecute those 200 'terrorists'
    then it would have been used to prosecute them for their 'terrorist' acts
    logic 101
    Oh, it's not I.


    Just like any other case stateside, if someone is arrested on suspicion of XXX and then released due to lack of evidence, do you call the arresting agency liars?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh, it's not I.


    Just like any other case stateside, if someone is arrested on suspicion of XXX and then released due to lack of evidence, do you call the arresting agency liars?
    yes
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    Well, that puts it all in perspective.
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That Iran has assassinated people is not in doubt by myself or most people.

    That the Iranian government used an incompetent individual to arrange some assassinations by using a mexican drug cartel to kill a Saudi Ambassador in the US and to bomb other places is.

    The guy is incompetent, Iran knows better to wire over $100 000, and has far easier targets outside of the US that would cause far fewer direct repercussions for Iran

    This entire event is amatuer(sp) hour and would present Iran with far more negatives then benifits.
    What makes him so incompetant and what evidence do you have that makes you doubt Iran's involvement in such a plan?
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