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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    Holder said that there was evidence of a money transfer from Iran. I watched him say it.
    Again, key word, . . . say. Have you never doubted a word he has said?

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    See above. Remember, being told something isn't the same as something being true. Powell presented a lot of **** at the UN, remember? It was nonsense, and rightly questioned by many, but the willing believed all the same.
    So Holder is lieing in your opinion?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    Again, key word, . . . say. Have you never doubted a word he has said?
    Without a doubt. I'm asking you if you think he lied to the American public about it on national TV.
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    Without a doubt. I'm asking you if you think he lied to the American public about it on national TV.
    I have no idea. That's the continued point here. We should not accepted it at face value, and it would not matter who said it. Good people have lied to us. Powell is a prime example.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have no idea. That's the continued point here. We should not accepted it at face value, and it would not matter who said it. Good people have lied to us. Powell is a prime example.
    I'm not talking about Powell, I'm talking about Holder. Either he did or didn't lie about the fact that he had evidence of a money transfer from Iran to the assassin. He's on record saying he does, do you doubt his veracity?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    So Holder is lieing in your opinion?
    let's see what the history of the government has been since 9/11:
    ... post-9/11, entrapment by FBI plants led to prosecutions of over 200 individuals on bogus terrorism related charges. Washington highlights them as proof of foiling plots that, in fact, never existed. ...
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    Iran Charged with Fake Terror Plot

    here is an excellent take about manufactured plots:
    http://www.chrgj.org/projects/docs/t...dentrapped.pdf


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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not talking about Powell, I'm talking about Holder. Either he did or didn't lie about the fact that he had evidence of a money transfer from Iran to the assassin. He's on record saying he does, do you doubt his veracity?
    i think the government - if they actually had a smoking gun - would have trotted it out for the public to see for itself that iran is a legitimate threat
    that they have not tells me they have nothing


    a long way of saying, yes, holder is lying his ass off
    and please ignore his involvement in fast and furious, including his misstatements
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not talking about Powell, I'm talking about Holder. Either he did or didn't lie about the fact that he had evidence of a money transfer from Iran to the assassin. He's on record saying he does, do you doubt his veracity?
    You're missing the point. I can't make a positive claim for the same reason I won't accept his claim at face value. I would have to offer support I don't have. We both should be required to show evidence, and none of us should accept mere claims. I can't be any clearer than this.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's see what the history of the government has been since 9/11:
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    Iran Charged with Fake Terror Plot

    here is an excellent take about manufactured plots:
    http://www.chrgj.org/projects/docs/t...dentrapped.pdf


    be afraid. be very afraid. your government needs you to be so that you don't focus on its own screwups
    I'm not talking about what you think was done in the past, I'm talking about right now, and I really don't care what your conspiracy theorist outlets think about what has been done in the past, either. Do you think Holder lied?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're missing the point. I can't make a positive claim for the same reason I won't accept his claim at face value. I would have to offer support I don't have. We both should be required to show evidence, and none of us should accept mere claims. I can't be any clearer than this.
    So basically, it's a fake plot but you won't go on record saying Holder lied about the evidence that he has. That about it?
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