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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    We aren't going to get that proof and you know it. That's a specious argument against. To get it would require the cooperation of Iran and they - I'm really going out on limb here - would just tell us to piss off. So we can't get that evidence. Just because we can't get to the proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Modern day terrorists are much like old age pirates and privateers. Pirates worked on their own for their own goals, but privateers worked under the table with a nod and a wink from a government. Privateers received supplies and monetary support from government just like we see now. We see this with the Taliban getting help from Pakistan's ISI. It may go higher than that but we can't be certain. This Iranian terror plot is just another example of privateering.

    The advantage of privateering/terrorism is that getting proof of governmental support is damn near impossible. That government can easily disavow any association and the soft-headed will simply accept that denunciation.
    A big difference though is that the victims of pirates, or their potential victims, didn't side with the pirates.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If he has no evidence, how cna he make any claim at all? Really?

    And too many have wagged the dog. But we do need to have evidence to support our claims. So does the president or anyone else. Real evidence.
    Easy, he heard it from Holder. Holder is the one claiming this is a plot to kill foreign diplomats and American citizens. Don't you keep up with current events ???

    Like I said, if they have evidence, we will eventually see it. The whole thing sounds a bit fishy to me though. That's why I'm wondering if the dog's tail will soon be getting a bit sore.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Silly hyperbole doesn't help. Asking for evidence is not the same as saying anyone's name needs cleaning up. War is serious business, so we should make sure we have the facts straight before we go too far down hostile roads.

    Ever hear of the Bay of Tonkin? WMDS? It's not like we have a reputation that couldn't use a little cleaning up as well.
    It doesn't matter how much vidence there is, the Left is not going to believe it.

    Even iif Amadjihad swore on a stack of Korans that he and his government were responsible for the plot the Left would still not believe it possible. Excuses would range from US economic pressure, the usual 'root causes', or that the US was somehow secretly behind it anyway. It would be the same old same old.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As soon as you show an ounce of proof that this could even in any way be linked to Israel or Saudi Arabia.
    i can't
    i can only look at which states would have any motivation to give the appearance that there was a plot to murder the saudi envoy
    if there is EVIDENCE that it was iranian government directed, then we have no need to look elsewhere
    but from what i have been able to glean, there is no evidence of iranian government involvement. i believe if we had such documentation we would have broadcast it immediately for all the world to see
    the absence of such evidence then causes me to wonder which state might have a motivation to effect such a false flag operation

    For someone who was throwing out rather bold faced unverified guesses earlier you like to jump up and demand proof from other poeple make their guesses
    i get it
    your unproven speculation that it is iran trumps my unproven speculation that it could be israel and/or the house of saud
    why is that?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i can't
    i can only look at which states would have any motivation to give the appearance that there was a plot to murder the saudi envoy
    if there is EVIDENCE that it was iranian government directed, then we have no need to look elsewhere
    but from what i have been able to glean, there is no evidence of iranian government involvement. i believe if we had such documentation we would have broadcast it immediately for all the world to see
    the absence of such evidence then causes me to wonder which state might have a motivation to effect such a false flag operation


    i get it
    your unproven speculation that it is iran trumps my unproven speculation that it could be israel and/or the house of saud
    why is that?
    \Yeah, sure, it's really Israel behind it all.

    Meanwhile, a brief synopsis.

    Bolder Iran ups ante in 30-year secret war

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Easy, he heard it from Holder. Holder is the one claiming this is a plot to kill foreign diplomats and American citizens. Don't you keep up with current events ???

    Like I said, if they have evidence, we will eventually see it. The whole thing sounds a bit fishy to me though. That's why I'm wondering if the dog's tail will soon be getting a bit sore.
    I thought I was the only one who thought this Iran assassination plot had a "wag the dog" feel to it. But if the 2009 plot is true, who's to say someone within the Iranian gov't wouldn't try it again?
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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i can't
    Gotcha, so your absolutely baseless accusations which is at least less than what others suggesting Iran have...IE they at least have the Government itself suggesting that it may be the case according to the stories...wasn't something you had to back up, prove, or even give any credible evidence to other than your own opinions. But somehow you're on some kind of high and mighty pedestal to demand that people do what you failed to do initially and have still failed to do and that is produce evidence to back up their claims.

    Thanks, glad to have that confirmed.

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I thought I was the only one who thought this Iran assassination plot had a "wag the dog" feel to it. But if the 2009 plot is true, who's to say someone within the Iranian gov't wouldn't try it again?
    Yeah, the whole thing has an odd smell. Obama was briefed on the plot last June and the arrest was made last month, yet we only hear about it yesterday. Why the delay??

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

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    Re: Iran accused over Washington terror plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    \Yeah, sure, it's really Israel behind it all.

    Meanwhile, a brief synopsis.

    Bolder Iran ups ante in 30-year secret war
    great article [/s]
    tells us that iranian forces assist forces that are in opposition to israeli/israeli-ally forces
    wow. such useful propaganda. the article expresses amazement that the persians of iran would have the temerity to defend their nation's interests
    and why would they question USA motives. after all, we only deposed their popular, democratially elected government in 1953. and we replaced him with a despotic ruler. we insist that we support and defend democratically elected governments, but notice how we then topple them. look at allende in argentina, chavez in nicaragua, and hamas in gaza as other prominent examples where we actually exhibit opposition to democratic election results
    and our reason for deposing the elected leader of iran. he was going to nationalize the oil holdings in his country and use the proceeds to help his people. big oil could not have that and neither could that democratic USA government. so we toppled him, inserted our puppet and trained savak to repress the iranian opposition

    what i find amazing is that the persian people still like and admire America. not so much our government's motivations and actions over there, however
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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