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Iran accused over Washington terror plot

Councilman said:
Kudos to the intelligence people who ferreted out this plot.

Salute. :2usflag:
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or is this another, like the 200 before, who have been falsely accused of terrorism
 
Gill said:
You actually call a few newspaper articles proof ???

Surely you can do better than that.
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I am simply flabbergasted by your response. You are the one who foolishly interjected yourself into this conversation and claimed that I get my information from the Daily Kos, which couldn't be further than the truth.

When I kindly respond to your request by providing valid news sources, an alternative media source, and a Congressional hearing testimony, you respond by plugging up your ears and shouting "la, la, la, I can't hear you". Next time don't make a request and then shrug it off when someone provides you the info that you asked for.

Perhaps we can try this some other time, but for now I don't see any reason to continue this conversation.
 
Boo Radley said:
I tend to agree. Nealry every nation on the world has wmds. And it should be noted, we were not attacked by any wmds supplied by any nation. A group of men highjacked planes. They did not get weapons and use them against us. The premise was a bit of a leap to begin with.
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Nearly every nation in the world had WMD's? I guess Iraq was the exception.

And the planes were the weapons!

Do you sincerely believe the Jihadists would not have used WMD if they had them?
 
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Grant said:
Nearly every nation in the world had WMD's? I guess Iraq was the exception.

And the planes were the weapons!

Do you sincerely believe the Jihadists would not have used WMD if they had them?
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Guess what? Iraq had no connections to AQ at all.

9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security - msnbc.com
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)
Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN
BBC NEWS | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
BBC NEWS | UK | Leaked report rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link
 
Antiderivative said:
I am simply flabbergasted by your response. You are the one who foolishly interjected yourself into this conversation and claimed that I get my information from the Daily Kos, which couldn't be further than the truth.

When I kindly respond to your request by providing valid news sources, an alternative media source, and a Congressional hearing testimony, you respond by plugging up your ears and shouting "la, la, la, I can't hear you". Next time don't make a request and then shrug it off when someone provides you the info that you asked for.

Perhaps we can try this some other time, but for now I don't see any reason to continue this conversation.
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Perhaps you might believe what you read in the newspapers but you should scrutinize your links a little more closely.

For example, in your first link, it says, "The exports were legal at the time and approved under a program administered by the Commerce Department". They were intended to be used to combat diseases.

Twenty years later anti Americans tried to use this in order to demonize the USA, which is not hard to do among the committed Leftists, but in fact these programs were not uncommon at the time, and the scientific world shares such information today.. They were designed to fight diseases and if some madman later uses them against his own people of course everyone involved would be horrified.

If you believe the United States is so evil that they would deliberately send germs to a madman in order to commit genocide against innocent people, then perhaps its time you just left. I would not live in a country which deliberately contributed to genocide.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Guess what? Iraq had no connections to AQ at all.

9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security - msnbc.com
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)
Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN
BBC NEWS | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
BBC NEWS | UK | Leaked report rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link
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I said "Jihadists" not Saddam Hussein's dictatorship.

And of course the Iraqi government had contacts with AQ, though it is not certain what the consequences of these meetings might have been.

But are you trying to make the claim that Saddam Hussein was a man of high morals and would never have sunk to the level of supporting or consorting with terrorists? What is your point?
 
Grant said:
And of course the Iraqi government had contacts with AQ, though it is not certain what the consequences of these meetings might have been.
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Is this another way of saying that despite “purposely aggressive approach” in conducting "exhaustive and repetitive searches for such links" the Intelligence Community "remained firm in its assessment that no operational or collaborative relationship existed"?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Is this another way of saying that despite “purposely aggressive approach” in conducting "exhaustive and repetitive searches for such links" the Intelligence Community "remained firm in its assessment that no operational or collaborative relationship existed"?
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Why would I want to say it another way? Didn't you understand the first time?

Or are you actually denying there was ever any connection between AlQ and Iraq?
 
Grant said:
Why would I want to say it another way? Didn't you understand the first time?
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I was just checking if your version squares with that of the US Intelligence Community.
Grant said:
Or are you actually denying there was ever any connection between AlQ and Iraq?
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I am quite willing to accept the USIC's conclusions about the matter, which I quoted from above.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I was just checking if your version squares with that of the US Intelligence Community.
I am quite willing to accept the USIC's conclusions about the matter, which I quoted from above.
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Is this the same Intelligence Community that many are claiming was wrong about WMD?
 
Grant said:
Is this the same Intelligence Community that many are claiming was wrong about WMD?
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How many US Intelligence Communities are there?

Do you think they were wrong about the WMD?
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you might believe what you read in the newspapers but you should scrutinize your links a little more closely.

For example, in your first link, it says, "The exports were legal at the time and approved under a program administered by the Commerce Department". They were intended to be used to combat diseases.
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Thanks for proving my point and by the way, I never even debate if we did it illegaly. From the article, Iraq had ordered the samples, claiming it needed them for legitimate medical research....The CDC and a biological sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show.


So, Saddam says he needs some chemicals for medical research and the US ships him over anthrax, botulinum toxin, and gangrene and you eat it up like candy.

Twenty years later anti Americans tried to use this in order to demonize the USA, which is not hard to do among the committed Leftists, but in fact these programs were not uncommon at the time, and the scientific world shares such information today.. They were designed to fight diseases and if some madman later uses them against his own people of course everyone involved would be horrified.

If you believe the United States is so evil that they would deliberately send germs to a madman in order to commit genocide against innocent people, then perhaps its time you just left. I would not live in a country which deliberately contributed to genocide.
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This is nonsense and you are getting out of control. Its really not worth responding to.

So, bye!
 
Getting back to the OP.

The more I think about this, the less it adds up. Iran teams up with a used car salesman and Mexican drugs lords to bomb an American building and we are still not at war with them. Iran may be crazy, but are they really going to risk it all over a derelict and some drug peddlers?

Plus, when did it become American policy to just slap tougher sanctions on a country that openly declares war on us?

I am trying to figure why Obama is proclaiming this nonsense? Did he get false info or is he pulling a Nixon or something else? All I know is that this still isn't adding up.
 
Antiderivative said:
I am simply flabbergasted by your response. You are the one who foolishly interjected yourself into this conversation and claimed that I get my information from the Daily Kos, which couldn't be further than the truth.

When I kindly respond to your request by providing valid news sources, an alternative media source, and a Congressional hearing testimony, you respond by plugging up your ears and shouting "la, la, la, I can't hear you". Next time don't make a request and then shrug it off when someone provides you the info that you asked for.

Perhaps we can try this some other time, but for now I don't see any reason to continue this conversation.
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That's probably wise on your part if Counterpunch and USA Today are the best you can come up with.
 
Antiderivative said:
Getting back to the OP.

The more I think about this, the less it adds up. Iran teams up with a used car salesman and Mexican drugs lords to bomb an American building and we are still not at war with them. Iran may be crazy, but are they really going to risk it all over a derelict and some drug peddlers?

Plus, when did it become American policy to just slap tougher sanctions on a country that openly declares war on us?

I am trying to figure why Obama is proclaiming this nonsense? Did he get false info or is he pulling a Nixon or something else? All I know is that this still isn't adding up.
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I am very much with you. The puzzle is not complete. Also, I feel Iran has been rattling it's sabers at us...and we just smile. We took out or heavily disabled two of their enemies (Iraq & MEK). Now Iran's attention seems to be squarely on us. It doesn't make any sense that we have not retaliated in some way.
 
Grant said:
Is this the same Intelligence Community that many are claiming was wrong about WMD?
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Again, the wmd stuff used came from Crurveball, al Libi and chalibi's heros in error. Other than that, the intelligence community did not back Bush's claims about wmds. This is the core of where Bush lied.
 
Grant said:
Nearly every nation in the world had WMD's? I guess Iraq was the exception.

And the planes were the weapons!

Do you sincerely believe the Jihadists would not have used WMD if they had them?
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Again, no one said he had no weapons. He had some wepaons he should not have had, and we knew about them. Some degrated useless chemical weapons. But he did not have what bush claimed. Keep the argument straight and stop with strawmen.
 
Blue_State said:
I am very much with you. The puzzle is not complete. Also, I feel Iran has been rattling it's sabers at us...and we just smile. We took out or heavily disabled two of their enemies (Iraq & MEK). Now Iran's attention seems to be squarely on us. It doesn't make any sense that we have not retaliated in some way.
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MOre than that some of the main political parties in Iraq were harbored by Iran for quite a while.
Iran is "on the in" in Iraq.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, the wmd stuff used came from Crurveball, al Libi and chalibi's heros in error. Other than that, the intelligence community did not back Bush's claims about wmds. This is the core of where Bush lied.
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"Bush lied".

So despite all those politicians who voices their concerns about Iraq, going back several years, and what the Intelligence Communiity saiid, you still feel that he was not in error, but that he "lied".

Was his motive "all about oil"? Revenge"? Why did George Bush lie and how did he get the government to follow through with his Big Lie? This would have to be the biggest hoax in world history and, according to the left, a drunk and a buffoon was able to pull it off.

So how stupid is the American government, Democrats and Republicans, to send their troops to war, and get other countries to make the same commitment, over an obvious lie? George Bush is either an evil genius or you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
How many US Intelligence Communities are there?

Do you think they were wrong about the WMD?
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We know that Saddam was after WMD, his history demonstrates that, and that it was all up to him, as per the agreement after to Desert Storm, to follow specific guidelines.

He did not follow them and following a second (with a warning issued) invasion and capture the Iraqi courts hanged him. I see no reason why there should be any regrets.
 
Grant said:
"Bush lied".

So despite all those politicians who voices their concerns about Iraq, going back several years, and what the Intelligence Communiity saiid, you still feel that he was not in error, but that he "lied".

Was his motive "all about oil"? Revenge"? Why did George Bush lie and how did he get the government to follow through with his Big Lie? This would have to be the biggest hoax in world history and, according to the left, a drunk and a buffoon was able to pull it off.

So how stupid is the American government, Democrats and Republicans, to send their troops to war, and get other countries to make the same commitment, over an obvious lie? George Bush is either an evil genius or you have no idea what you're talking about.
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No, you're not listening well. Bush took the claims to another level. He took it away from the intel, which ahd some reasons for concern, and went with intel that was doubted -- curveball, al Libi, and chalibi and his heros in error. This was deliberate, largely worked though Cheney's office.

As for his motive, a fellow who went by Missouri Mule linked an article from the Straffor group, a conservative think tank. It criticised Bush for telling the wrong lie, one so easily shown to be a lie. They maintain the reason for the invasion was so we could have a base there, close to Iran, but not in SA. Combined with Afghanistan, we would have them surrounded. I tend to accept that. But, that doesn't change that it was a lie.

As for stupid, incredibly stupid and cowardly. The people had the fever, voting out those who opposed, and congressed caved like cowards, allowing Bush to call the shots.

But the point is, the intel used to sell the war was doubted, and without it, there is no case to back up Bush's assertions. He lied any way you look at it.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, you're not listening well. Bush took the claims to another level. He took it away from the intel, which ahd some reasons for concern, and went with intel that was doubted -- curveball, al Libi, and chalibi and his heros in error. This was deliberate, largely worked though Cheney's office.

As for his motive, a fellow who went by Missouri Mule linked an article from the Straffor group, a conservative think tank. It criticised Bush for telling the wrong lie, one so easily shown to be a lie. They maintain the reason for the invasion was so we could have a base there, close to Iran, but not in SA. Combined with Afghanistan, we would have them surrounded. I tend to accept that. But, that doesn't change that it was a lie.
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You seem to be overlooking the fact that one man lied and got the Democrats and other world leaders to go along with it. Now, is George Bush that smart or are the Democrats, and other democratically elected world leaders, that stupid?
 
Grant said:
You seem to be overlooking the fact that one man lied and got the Democrats and other world leaders to go along with it. Now, is George Bush that smart or are the Democrats, and other democratically elected world leaders, that stupid?
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well, some of us can recall how cheney choreographed the outing of a covert CIA agent in an effort to silence her husband, who was writing articles pointing out the administration's (yellowcake) lies
 
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