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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

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    Please prove this to me.
    You prove it yourself in nearly every post, but I've stated before - I'm not here to prove anything to you - I'm here to CORRECT you. Speaking to you about facts is akin to having a scientific discussion with an evangelical.


    Now, will you get back to the original topic and stop hijacking the thread? Please?
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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You prove it yourself in nearly every post, but I've stated before - I'm not here to prove anything to you - I'm here to CORRECT you. Speaking to you about facts is akin to having a scientific discussion with an evangelical.
    Do I need to remind you that the purpose here at DP is not to discuss other posters?


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do I need to remind you that the purpose here at DP is not to discuss other posters?
    Then you should stop initiating it.

    Back to the topic:

    The issue with Obama is he's trying, politically, to latch onto an issue that he can use as a wedge for his campaign. The rhetoric of "blame someone else" has been fairly consistent throughout his 3 years as President. The first 2 years was blamed on Bush, now the last year is blame Congress - specifically Republicans in the House. This doesn't seem to be working very well... eventually American's will want someone to be an adult and own the issues, and fixing them, instead of the break in reality that we see the Obama campaign try yet again.

    Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality as he sells his jobs bill | The Salt Lake Tribune
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

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    Now, will you get back to the original topic and stop hijacking the thread? Please?
    You need to take your own advice, Ockham.

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    Obama without a fawning media in 2012 will be interesting to watch if it actually happens.
    I will expect the media will rally around this Democratic President.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obama without a fawning media in 2012 will be interesting to watch if it actually happens.
    I will expect the media will rally around this Democratic President.
    How does it feel for me to CORRECT you?


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    In fact there is... I will explain it first since I expect you will dismiss the links I will provide later. And yes I base that opinion on my past history of posts with you.


    The media loves Barack Obama - has since 2007. I base that off of a few different

    1.) The Journolist scandal which had many in the media trying to trump up ways to support Obama
    2.) The following report (which I'm sure you'll claim is very biased - but you'll need to refute the data in it) http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/20...nofVictory.pdf
    3.) Michelle Obama:



    http://www.aim.org/mp3/2007/01/15.mp3 (This is from 2007)

    http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/0...28MSNBCMJ2.wmv Note: Sorry for using Newsbusters - but that's the only place that still had this vid. MSNBC no longer had it available.


    And there's more... but I think that's probably enough.

    Can be be more precise? Who is the "corporate media"?

    See above question... I don't know what you're referencing.
    The reason such things get dismissed is because they are sloppy, biased, and don't really prove anything. The candidate doing better should get better press in a horse race. Proping up the candidate running behind would be biased.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The reason such things get dismissed is because they are sloppy, biased, and don't really prove anything. The candidate doing better should get better press in a horse race. Proping up the candidate running behind would be biased.

    The key word is "should". Should get better press...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How does it feel for me to CORRECT you?
    I'm still waiting... when's the correction coming?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The key word is "should". Should get better press...
    I agree. Obama was doing better, so he SHOULD have received better press. So, why the complaining that he did?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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