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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obama without a fawning media in 2012 will be interesting to watch if it actually happens.
    I will expect the media will rally around this Democratic President.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I will expect the media will rally around this Democratic President.
    Excuse making already?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Excuse making already?
    Just an opinion and an expectation. You see it differently?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just an opinion and an expectation. You see it differently?
    There must be some basis for your opinion, at least that is what you said to me, so what is the basis for your opinion? Since the Republican Party favor corporations far more than the Democratic Party does, why would the corporate media give more deference to the Democrats?

    Many of the Democrats would like to see spending limits on political campaigns, but if that were to come to pass the reduction in political ad revenue would hurt the corporate media. Right?


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just an opinion and an expectation. You see it differently?
    I've listen to media whining for years. I would just be happy to see a new tactic. Repubicalcans taking some personal responsibility would be nice to see. It always has to be someone elses fault, poor republicans. Poor, poor republicans, alwyas being picked on by the big bad media.


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There must be some basis for your opinion, at least that is what you said to me, so what is the basis for your opinion?
    In fact there is... I will explain it first since I expect you will dismiss the links I will provide later. And yes I base that opinion on my past history of posts with you.


    The media loves Barack Obama - has since 2007. I base that off of a few different

    1.) The Journolist scandal which had many in the media trying to trump up ways to support Obama
    2.) The following report (which I'm sure you'll claim is very biased - but you'll need to refute the data in it) http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/20...nofVictory.pdf
    3.) Michelle Obama:

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    CNN reporter: "How's the family ready for this [the election]? It's going to be quite vicious, isn't it? How do you prepare for that?"

    First Lady Michelle Obama: "You know, it's … we're ready, you know. Our children, you know, could care less about what we're doing. We work hard to do that. Fortunately, we have help from the media. I have to say this: I'm very grateful for the support and kindness that we've gotten. People have respected their privacy and in that way, I think, you know, no matter what people may feel about my husband's policies or what have you, they care about children and that's been good to see."
    http://www.aim.org/mp3/2007/01/15.mp3 (This is from 2007)

    http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/0...28MSNBCMJ2.wmv Note: Sorry for using Newsbusters - but that's the only place that still had this vid. MSNBC no longer had it available.


    And there's more... but I think that's probably enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Since the Republican Party favor corporations far more than the Democratic Party does, why would the corporate media give more deference to the Democrats
    Can be be more precise? Who is the "corporate media"?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Many of the Democrats would like to see spending limits on political campaigns, but if that were to come to pass the reduction in political ad revenue would hurt the corporate media. Right?
    See above question... I don't know what you're referencing.
    Last edited by Ockham; 10-13-11 at 06:33 PM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    In fact there is... I will explain it first since I expect you will dismiss the links I will provide later. And yes I base that opinion on my past history of posts with you.


    The media loves Barack Obama - has since 2007. I base that off of a few different

    1.) The Journolist scandal which had many in the media trying to trump up ways to support Obama
    2.) The following report (which I'm sure you'll claim is very biased - but you'll need to refute the data in it) http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/20...nofVictory.pdf
    3.) Michelle Obama:



    http://www.aim.org/mp3/2007/01/15.mp3 (This is from 2007)

    http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/0...28MSNBCMJ2.wmv Note: Sorry for using Newsbusters - but that's the only place that still had this vid. MSNBC no longer had it available.


    And there's more... but I think that's probably enough.

    Can be be more precise? Who is the "corporate media"?

    See above question... I don't know what you're referencing.
    With this evidence and $2.50 I can get a ride on the NYC subway. If I were on trial and you were a juror I would be mighty worried, if you considered BS evidence like this.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this evidence and $2.50 I can get a ride on the NYC subway. If I were on trial and you were a juror I would be mighty worried, if you considered BS evidence like this.
    With your opinion, they'd probably make me pay double to ride the subway.

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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this evidence and $2.50 I can get a ride on the NYC subway. If I were on trial and you were a juror I would be mighty worried, if you considered BS evidence like this.
    Like I'm worried it doesn't meet with your approval.

    The point is, I actually do base my opinions on something... unlike your opinions which are based on a fictional ideological "belief".
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Like I'm worried it doesn't meet with your approval.

    The point is, I actually do base my opinions on something... unlike your opinions which are based on a fictional ideological "belief".
    Please prove this to me.


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