White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
How are you coming on make the case for the re-election of Obama? Using the Bush argument isn't going to fly as the Obama results will be on the ballot. How do those results compare to Bush's 2004 results?

Pretty well so far. Nearly 2/3rds of those polled still blame Bush's policies for the current economic conditions; so like it or not (and I know that you don't) Bush's legacy will also be on the ballot next year. And still, Obama beats every named Republican easily according to the latest polls except for Romney, who he only beats by a small margin.

The funniest part though are diehard Conservatives like you are going to have to vote for a Liberal Mormon like Romney!

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Pretty well so far. Nearly 2/3rds of those polled still blame Bush's policies for the current economic conditions; so like it or not (and I know that you don't) Bush's legacy will also be on the ballot next year. And still, Obama beats every named Republican easily according to the latest polls except for Romney, who he only beats by a small margin.

The funniest part though are diehard Conservatives like you are going to have to vote for a Liberal Mormon like Romney!

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Yep, that is proof and a reason to re-elect Obama in the liberal world. Keep Bush on the ballot in 2012 since apparently liberals like you don't understand failure of leadership. How does the smartest man to ever hold the office with total control of the U.S. Congress for two years generate results worse than when he took office? I will vote for the Republican candidate because of the Obama record and it is that record that will be on the ballot in 2012

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Yep, that is proof and a reason to re-elect Obama in the liberal world. Keep Bush on the ballot in 2012 since apparently liberals like you don't understand failure of leadership.

Nah, we understand failed leadership. We saw it 8 years ago as Bush was gearing up for re-election and we watched as 84% of Conservatives and 93% of Republicans voted to give him 4 more years anyway.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and many of those same Conservatives and Republicans are crying like babies because many Liberals and Democrats are going to do the same thing they did in the 2004 election.

Conservative said:
How does the smartest man to ever hold the office with total control of the U.S. Congress for two years generate results worse than when he took office?

Seems that's what happens when one inherits the worst economy any president ever inherited except for FDR.

Conservative said:
I will vote for the Republican candidate because of the Obama record and it is that record that will be on the ballot in 2012

Bull****. You'd vote for the Republican candidate under any circumstance. Doesn't matter how well the Democrat performs. Results don't matter to you. You proved that by voting for Dole over Clinton, despite Clinton doing a fine job during his first term.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Nah, we understand failed leadership. We saw it 8 years ago as Bush was gearing up for re-election and we watched as 84% of Conservatives and 93% of Republicans voted to give him 4 more years anyway.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and many of those same Conservatives and Republicans are crying like babies because many Liberals and Democrats are going to do the same thing they did in the 2004 election.

Seems that's what happens when one inherits the worst economy any president ever inherited except for FDR.

Bull****. You'd vote for the Republican candidate under any circumstance. Doesn't matter how well the Democrat performs. Results don't matter to you. You proved that by voting for Dole over Clinton, despite Clinton doing a fine job during his first term.

Keep saying the same thing over and over again all in hopes of successfully diverting from the Obama record. You have yet to answer the question posed, why didn't the smartest man every to hold the office along with overwhelming control of Congress not solve the problem solely created by a dumb cowboy from TX? Keep running, Sheik, for that is all you do

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Keep saying the same thing over and over again all in hopes of successfully diverting from the Obama record. You have yet to answer the question posed, why didn't the smartest man every to hold the office along with overwhelming control of Congress not solve the problem solely created by a dumb cowboy from TX? Keep running, Sheik, for that is all you do

I'm pretty sure I've answered this question ... numerous times in fact ... The Great Bush Recession was bigger and deeper than anyone could fully reverse in just a few years. Hell, I just read a report this morning that there were more than 600,000 foreclosures during the third quarter of this year and how we are experiencing the biggest drop in home ownership since the Great Depression. All part of the hangover from Bush's Great Recession.

No one, especially not McCain, could have fixed Bush's mess this quickly. Hell, had McCain won, he wouldn't have passed a stimulus package like Obama did and we would have continued hemorrhaging jobs at the rate of 700,000 per month for who knows how long. Instead, we got this ...

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm pretty sure I've answered this question ... numerous times in fact ... The Great Bush Recession was bigger and deeper than anyone could fully reverse in just a few years. Hell, I just read a report this morning that there were more than 600,000 foreclosures during the third quarter of this year and how we are experiencing the biggest drop in home ownership since the Great Depression. All part of the hangover from Bush's Great Recession.

No one, especially not McCain, could have fixed Bush's mess this quickly. Hell, had McCain won, he wouldn't have passed a stimulus package like Obama did and we would have continued hemorrhaging jobs at the rate of 700,000 per month for who knows how long. Instead, we got this ...

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Sorry but the smartest man to ever hold the office with overwhelming numbers and control of Congress has worse economic results today than when he took office. Not sure there is evidence that Obama is so smart when you continue to see the people who support him.

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Sorry but the smartest man to ever hold the office with overwhelming numbers and control of Congress has worse economic results today than when he took office. Not sure there is evidence that Obama is so smart when you continue to see the people who support him.

Really? losing 732,000 jobs is better than gaining 398,000 jobs? That's the difference between when he started and now.

A GDP of negative 8.9 percent is better than a positive 1.3 percent? That's the difference between when he started and now.

Seems like Obama is doing a descent job given the miserable economy Bush handed him.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Really? losing 732,000 jobs is better than gaining 398,000 jobs? That's the difference between when he started and now.

A GDP of negative 8.9 percent is better than a positive 1.3 percent? That's the difference between when he started and now.

Seems like Obama is doing a descent job given the miserable economy Bush handed him.

2008 was a disaster, no question about it. Interesting how there are still more unemployed today than when Obama took office and still over 15 million officially with the true number more like 25 million plus unemployed and under employed.

I can see how people like you believe Obama is doing a good job because the trillions he has spent really isn't money. Let me know when there is a net job gain with Obama? Don't you think spending over a trillion dollars on stimulus shouldn't have generated more job gains? You do understand the difference between net and gross, don't you?

winston53660 · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
2008 was a disaster, no question about it. Interesting how there are still more unemployed today than when Obama took office and still over 15 million officially with the true number more like 25 million plus unemployed and under employed.

?

Uhmmm U6 and U3 are both officially reported by the BLS.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

winston53660 said:
Uhmmm U6 and U3 are both officially reported by the BLS.

Right, and both are worse today than when he took office

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Pretty well so far. Nearly 2/3rds of those polled still blame Bush's policies for the current economic conditions; so like it or not (and I know that you don't) Bush's legacy will also be on the ballot next year. And still, Obama beats every named Republican easily according to the latest polls except for Romney, who he only beats by a small margin.

The funniest part though are diehard Conservatives like you are going to have to vote for a Liberal Mormon like Romney!

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Better tell that to Biden

Joe Biden: The economy belongs to us, not Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
2008 was a disaster, no question about it. Interesting how there are still more unemployed today than when Obama took office and still over 15 million officially with the true number more like 25 million plus unemployed and under employed.

Umm, it wasn't just 2008. It was also 2009. The Great Bush Recession lasted halfway through the first year into Obama's term. Between Obama becoming president and Bush's Great Recession coming to an end, another 3 million people lost their job and 4 million when looking at underemployment. That's all due to Clinton, Bush and Republicans, whose policies led to the housing markets crash and the credit markets crash. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Conservative said:
I can see how people like you believe Obama is doing a good job because the trillions he has spent really isn't money. Let me know when there is a net job gain with Obama? Don't you think spending over a trillion dollars on stimulus shouldn't have generated more job gains? You do understand the difference between net and gross, don't you?

Please, since when do you care about the government spending money? Bush racked up $500,000 deficts year after year after year -- you voted for him again anyway. Bush spent how much to invade Iraq in search of WMD that weren't there -- you voted for him again anyway.

What you don't understannd ... what you'll never understand ... is that you are in no postion to judge Liberals and/or Democrats for their support of Obama. You supported George Bush even as his JAR sank to a record low of 19%; now you whine that Obama still has supporters when his JAR hit 38%. You supported George Bush as he nearly doubled unemployment from 4.2% to 7.8%; now you whine because Obama took it from 7.8% to 9.1%.

You're a hypocrite who voted for Bush in 2004 and would have voted for him under any circumstance because since you became a Conservative, you onl;y vote for Republican presidents; now you whine because there are Liberals and Democrats who only vote Democrat.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, it wasn't just 2008. It was also 2009. The Great Bush Recession lasted halfway through the first year into Obama's term. Between Obama becoming president and Bush's Great Recession coming to an end, another 3 million people lost their job and 4 million when looking at underemployment. That's all due to Clinton, Bush and Republicans, whose policies led to the housing markets crash and the credit markets crash. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Please, since when do you care about the government spending money? Bush racked up $500,000 deficts year after year after year -- you voted for him again anyway. Bush spent how much to invade Iraq in search of WMD that weren't there -- you voted for him again anyway.

What you don't understannd ... what you'll never understand ... is that you are in no postion to judge Liberals and/or Democrats for their support of Obama. You supported George Bush even as his JAR sank to a record low of 19%; now you whine that Obama still has supporters when his JAR hit 38%. You supported George Bush as he nearly doubled unemployment from 4.2% to 7.8%; now you whine because Obama took it from 7.8% to 9.1%.

You're a hypocrite who voted for Bush in 2004 and would have voted for him under any circumstance because since you became a Conservative, you onl;y vote for Republican presidents; now you whine because there are Liberals and Democrats who only vote Democrat.

Same ole, same ole, nothing new here, Bush bad, Bush's fault, Bush the devil. Got it. Thanks for rehashing the past and ignoring the present. Let me remind you

Joe Biden: The economy belongs to us, not Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Then there is this

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Right, and both are worse today than when he took office

So what? Both were worse when you voted to give George Bush 4 more years.

U3:
Jan/01: 4.2
Oct/04: 5.4

Jan/09: 7.8
Sep/11: 9.1

Bush: a 1.2 point increase (29%)
Obama: a 1.3 point increase (17%)

U6:
Jan/01: 7.3
Oct/04: 9.7

Jan/09: 14.0
Sep/11: 16.5

Bush: a 2.4 point increase (33%)
Obama: a 2.5 point increase (18%)

So both saw roughly the same increase in points, but here's the difference ...

Bush didn't start off in the Great Bush Recession.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
So what? Both were worse when you voted to give George Bush 4 more years.

U3:
Jan/01: 4.2
Oct/04: 5.4

Jan/09: 7.8
Sep/11: 9.1

Bush: a 1.2 point increase (29%)
Obama: a 1.3 point increase (17%)

U6:
Jan/01: 7.3
Oct/04: 9.7

Jan/09: 14.0
Sep/11: 16.5

Bush: a 2.4 point increase (33%)
Obama: a 2.5 point increase (18%)

So both saw roughly the same increase in points, but here's the difference ...

Bush didn't start off in the Great Bush Recession.

You are in for a big shock in Nov. 2012 as Bush isn't on the ballot nor will the Bush record be on the ballot. Bush didn't add 4.2 trillion to the debt in 3 years to generate a net job loss and a drop in the labor force. Obama generated the following results and if you are hoping that the public will remember Bush in 2012 you may be right but in a different way than you had hoped.

I will never understand people like you, relatively smart, relatively aggressive, relatively passionate yet you support this empty suit. Guess it takes all kinds.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
I will never understand people like you, relatively smart, relatively aggressive, relatively passionate yet you support this empty suit. Guess it takes all kinds.

Spits a 4 time Bush voter. :doh

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Spits a 4 time Bush voter. :doh

I knew that logic and common sense weren't your strong suits, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Gee, wonder who a conservative would vote for. Why would any conservative vote for either Gore or Kerry and staying home could have put either of them in the WH.

So tell me what motivates people like you to support Obama. Looks to me like it is being economics and civics challenged. You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works thus need a bigger central govt to provide all that you want and need.

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
I knew that logic and common sense weren't your strong suits, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Gee, wonder who a conservative would vote for. Why would any conservative vote for either Gore or Kerry and staying home could have put either of them in the WH.

Logic certain eludes you -- who would excpect a Liberal to vote for, Obama vs. any of the 7 GOP dwarfs who might run against him?

Conservative said:
So tell me what motivates people like you to support Obama. Looks to me like it is being economics and civics challenged. You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works thus need a bigger central govt to provide all that you want and need.

Sorry, but I really can't help someone who is so dense, they didn't understand it the first 1,000 times I said it.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Logic certain eludes you -- who would excpect a Liberal to vote for, Obama vs. any of the 7 GOP dwarfs who might run against him?

Sorry, but I really can't help someone who is so dense, they didn't understand it the first 1,000 times I said it.

Just love the personal attacks which make you irrelevant.

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm pretty sure I've answered this question ... numerous times in fact ... The Great Bush Recession was bigger and deeper than anyone could fully reverse in just a few years. Hell, I just read a report this morning that there were more than 600,000 foreclosures during the third quarter of this year and how we are experiencing the biggest drop in home ownership since the Great Depression. All part of the hangover from Bush's Great Recession.

No one, especially not McCain, could have fixed Bush's mess this quickly. Hell, had McCain won, he wouldn't have passed a stimulus package like Obama did and we would have continued hemorrhaging jobs at the rate of 700,000 per month for who knows how long. Instead, we got this ...

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http://politisite.com/2011/05/17/fa...n-obamas-first-year-than-eight-years-of-bush/

winston53660 · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works thus need a bigger central govt to provide all that you want and need.

Wow that is rich coming from you esp. considering you still have not supported your argument from yesterday that the cost of living was higher in 81 - 82 relative to today.

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Just love the personal attacks which make you irrelevant.

And your personal attacks do ... what ... ? Make you more relevant?

"I knew that logic and common sense weren't your strong suits ~ Conservative

"Looks to me like it is being economics and civics challenged." ~ Conservative

"You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works" ~ Conservative

"Again sure wish you would have taken a civics class." ~ Conservative

What? You expected you could hurl insults at others and that none would be thrown back at you?

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
http://politisite.com/2011/05/17/fa...n-obamas-first-year-than-eight-years-of-bush/

Exactly what does that non-sequitur have to do with anything?

Conservative · Oct 13, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Exactly what does that non-sequitur have to do with anything?

Wonder if it will stop you from posting data out of context and actually acknowledge that there has been a job loss since Obama took office and after spending all that money?

Sheik Yerbuti · Oct 13, 2011

Conservative said:
Wonder if it will stop you from posting data out of context and actually acknowledge that there has been a job loss since Obama took office and after spending all that money?

I don't know what you're talking about, I never said we gained jobs since Obama became president. What I have said is there isn't a Republican president since Calvin Cooledge who hasn't lost jobs during their first 32 months in office and Obama is the firsat Democrat to lose jobs in his first 32 months in office, yet you continue to support the Republican party while complaining about jobs. :roll:

Nixon	+77%
Bush	+45%
Eisenhower	+41%
Ford*	+36%
GHW Bush	+28%
Reagan	+23%
Obama	+17%
Kennedy	-17%
Carter	-21%
Clinton	-23%
Johnson	-33%

* = Ford was in office 29 months

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data