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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    To me, that's a very short sighted answer. How many years ago was reagan president? And look where we are now. No thanks. No, the problem isn't who is president, or who is senator, or who is supreme court justice, it's all of them together. Change one piece of an engine out, like a cam, but make no changes to the rest, it's not going to yield very good results. It's an entire system wide problem we face, imo, and one man, even Reagan reborn, would likely do more long term harm then good.
    Spoken like someone who wasn't around during the Reagan years. Why do you have such a problem keeping more of what you make and benefiting from your own efforts? No thanks? interesting, I never did better than I did during the Reagan years because I was rewarded for my efforts. Do you understand incentive for hard work?

    Positive leadership helps form human behavior and that is the difference between the Reagan Leaderhip and lack of Obama leadership. Not sure what you think the solution is but it is obvious that Obama doesn't have a clue. I encourage you to actually look at the results of the Reagan years by listening to his speeches and looking at what he proposed. What is there to not like about his efforts where everyone benefited not just a few.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Spoken like someone who wasn't around during the Reagan years. Why do you have such a problem keeping more of what you make and benefiting from your own efforts? No thanks? interesting, I never did better than I did during the Reagan years because I was rewarded for my efforts. Do you understand incentive for hard work?
    People work hard at McDonalds and I don't see much incentive there for people to work hard. Stop talking about how great Reagen was, he was a puppet for big corporations and nothing else.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yeah, here we go again and here you go again. The Reagan increase in debt from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion compared to the Obama increase in debt from 10.6 trillion to 14.8 trillion? Which one is worse? In the real world 1.7 trillion added to the debt has a lower debt service than 4.2 trillion added to the debt. Isn't that true in Northern TX?
    in 1941 the US debt was 4.7 billion. In 1949 the debt was 274 billion. Now in the real world the debt service on 269.3 billion is a lot less than 1.7 trillion.............

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    People work hard at McDonalds and I don't see much incentive there for people to work hard. Stop talking about how great Reagen was, he was a puppet for big corporations and nothing else.
    No doubt is that is what you see but what you see isn't reality. McDonalds promotes from within and that creates opportunities for people who may lack opportunity. McDonalds offers education reimbursement, a competitive wage with most well above minimum wage, and offers healthcare to all employees. Your comments show your youth and inexperience. Hope I am around to see you mature.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

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    in 1941 the US debt was 4.7 billion. In 1949 the debt was 274 billion. Now in the real world the debt service on 269.3 billion is a lot less than 1.7 trillion.............
    You raised the issue of the Obama debt and put it in terms of current dollars. Don't see you doing that with 1941 debt or 1949 debt as if even that is relevant today. what was the debt service on the 2.6 trillion debt of which 1.7 trillion happened during the Reagan years? Today we have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt of which 4.2 trillion has been added by Obama. What is the debt service on that debt. Why is that even an issue today other than to divert from the Obama record. You want badly to divert to Reagan. Don't blame you but that is a waste of time, Reagan won't be on the ballot in 2012, the Obama record will be. Your apparent support for Obama says a lot about you.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You raised the issue of the Obama debt and put it in terms of current dollars.
    uhmmm no I did not. I put it in terms of a debt to GDP ratio. You are the one that compared Reagan to Obama in nominal dollars. I simply did the same with the time period from 1941 to 1949.

    Don't see you doing that with 1941 debt or 1949 debt as if even that is relevant today. what was the debt service on the 2.6 trillion debt of which 1.7 trillion happened during the Reagan years? Today we have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt of which 4.2 trillion has been added by Obama.
    You insist on making the same fallacious argument over and over

    Why is that even an issue today other than to divert from the Obama record.
    The Obama record was clearly stated in the table I posted.

    You want badly to divert to Reagan. Don't blame you but that is a waste of time, Reagan won't be on the ballot in 2012, the Obama record will be. Your apparent support for Obama says a lot about you.
    YOU BROUGHT UP REAGAN. I just simply let you know how much the debt to GDP ratio increased.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    uhmmm no I did not. I put it in terms of a debt to GDP ratio. You are the one that compared Reagan to Obama in nominal dollars. I simply did the same with the time period from 1941 to 1949.



    You insist on making the same fallacious argument over and over



    The Obama record was clearly stated in the table I posted.



    YOU BROUGHT UP REAGAN. I just simply let you know how much the debt to GDP ratio increased.
    What I continue to see is your opinion which I believe is wrong. Believe that most people today would take Reagan in a heartbeat over the disaster in the WH right now but I could be wrong. Tried to tell people about the lack of leaddership shown in the Obama resume but they still bought the rhetoric. Most realize they made a mistake

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

    Notice that 38% Gallup number again?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What I continue to see is your opinion which I believe is wrong.
    Wait a second, the debt to GDP ratio going up 20+% points under Reagan is an opinion?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Wait a second, the debt to GDP ratio going up 20+% points under Reagan is an opinion?
    I will take you at your word that it is fact however it is irrelevant, the benefits outweighed the costs and the debt service was less than the 4.2 trillion Obama has added today just like the 17 million net job growth Reagan had after losing jobs the first year vs. the net job losses of Obama's

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I will take you at your word that it is fact however it is irrelevant, the benefits outweighed the costs and the debt service was less than the 4.2 trillion Obama has added today just like the 17 million net job growth Reagan had after losing jobs the first year vs. the net job losses of Obama's
    What matters is the cost as a percentage of GDP -- not the raw numbers.

    But it's interesting that you think that the benefits of massive deficit spending outweighed the costs under Reagan. How do you know that things wouldn't have been much better without all that unpaid-for spending? Spending that we're still paying interest on, btw.

    What it all boils down to for you is Republican/Democrat. If a Republican does it it's awesome. If a Democrat does the same thing it's criminally negligent.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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