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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Pretty well so far. Nearly 2/3rds of those polled still blame Bush's policies for the current economic conditions; so like it or not (and I know that you don't) Bush's legacy will also be on the ballot next year. And still, Obama beats every named Republican easily according to the latest polls except for Romney, who he only beats by a small margin.

    The funniest part though are diehard Conservatives like you are going to have to vote for a Liberal Mormon like Romney!

    Better tell that to Biden

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

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    2008 was a disaster, no question about it. Interesting how there are still more unemployed today than when Obama took office and still over 15 million officially with the true number more like 25 million plus unemployed and under employed.
    Umm, it wasn't just 2008. It was also 2009. The Great Bush Recession lasted halfway through the first year into Obama's term. Between Obama becoming president and Bush's Great Recession coming to an end, another 3 million people lost their job and 4 million when looking at underemployment. That's all due to Clinton, Bush and Republicans, whose policies led to the housing markets crash and the credit markets crash. Obama had nothing to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    I can see how people like you believe Obama is doing a good job because the trillions he has spent really isn't money. Let me know when there is a net job gain with Obama? Don't you think spending over a trillion dollars on stimulus shouldn't have generated more job gains? You do understand the difference between net and gross, don't you?
    Please, since when do you care about the government spending money? Bush racked up $500,000 deficts year after year after year -- you voted for him again anyway. Bush spent how much to invade Iraq in search of WMD that weren't there -- you voted for him again anyway.

    What you don't understannd ... what you'll never understand ... is that you are in no postion to judge Liberals and/or Democrats for their support of Obama. You supported George Bush even as his JAR sank to a record low of 19%; now you whine that Obama still has supporters when his JAR hit 38%. You supported George Bush as he nearly doubled unemployment from 4.2% to 7.8%; now you whine because Obama took it from 7.8% to 9.1%.

    You're a hypocrite who voted for Bush in 2004 and would have voted for him under any circumstance because since you became a Conservative, you onl;y vote for Republican presidents; now you whine because there are Liberals and Democrats who only vote Democrat.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Umm, it wasn't just 2008. It was also 2009. The Great Bush Recession lasted halfway through the first year into Obama's term. Between Obama becoming president and Bush's Great Recession coming to an end, another 3 million people lost their job and 4 million when looking at underemployment. That's all due to Clinton, Bush and Republicans, whose policies led to the housing markets crash and the credit markets crash. Obama had nothing to do with it.


    Please, since when do you care about the government spending money? Bush racked up $500,000 deficts year after year after year -- you voted for him again anyway. Bush spent how much to invade Iraq in search of WMD that weren't there -- you voted for him again anyway.

    What you don't understannd ... what you'll never understand ... is that you are in no postion to judge Liberals and/or Democrats for their support of Obama. You supported George Bush even as his JAR sank to a record low of 19%; now you whine that Obama still has supporters when his JAR hit 38%. You supported George Bush as he nearly doubled unemployment from 4.2% to 7.8%; now you whine because Obama took it from 7.8% to 9.1%.

    You're a hypocrite who voted for Bush in 2004 and would have voted for him under any circumstance because since you became a Conservative, you onl;y vote for Republican presidents; now you whine because there are Liberals and Democrats who only vote Democrat.
    Same ole, same ole, nothing new here, Bush bad, Bush's fault, Bush the devil. Got it. Thanks for rehashing the past and ignoring the present. Let me remind you

    Joe Biden: The economy belongs to us, not Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Then there is this

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Right, and both are worse today than when he took office
    So what? Both were worse when you voted to give George Bush 4 more years.

    U3:
    Jan/01: 4.2
    Oct/04: 5.4

    Jan/09: 7.8
    Sep/11: 9.1

    Bush: a 1.2 point increase (29%)
    Obama: a 1.3 point increase (17%)

    U6:
    Jan/01: 7.3
    Oct/04: 9.7

    Jan/09: 14.0
    Sep/11: 16.5

    Bush: a 2.4 point increase (33%)
    Obama: a 2.5 point increase (18%)

    So both saw roughly the same increase in points, but here's the difference ...

    Bush didn't start off in the Great Bush Recession.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    So what? Both were worse when you voted to give George Bush 4 more years.

    U3:
    Jan/01: 4.2
    Oct/04: 5.4

    Jan/09: 7.8
    Sep/11: 9.1

    Bush: a 1.2 point increase (29%)
    Obama: a 1.3 point increase (17%)

    U6:
    Jan/01: 7.3
    Oct/04: 9.7

    Jan/09: 14.0
    Sep/11: 16.5

    Bush: a 2.4 point increase (33%)
    Obama: a 2.5 point increase (18%)

    So both saw roughly the same increase in points, but here's the difference ...

    Bush didn't start off in the Great Bush Recession.
    You are in for a big shock in Nov. 2012 as Bush isn't on the ballot nor will the Bush record be on the ballot. Bush didn't add 4.2 trillion to the debt in 3 years to generate a net job loss and a drop in the labor force. Obama generated the following results and if you are hoping that the public will remember Bush in 2012 you may be right but in a different way than you had hoped.

    I will never understand people like you, relatively smart, relatively aggressive, relatively passionate yet you support this empty suit. Guess it takes all kinds.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    I will never understand people like you, relatively smart, relatively aggressive, relatively passionate yet you support this empty suit. Guess it takes all kinds.
    Spits a 4 time Bush voter.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Spits a 4 time Bush voter.
    I knew that logic and common sense weren't your strong suits, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Gee, wonder who a conservative would vote for. Why would any conservative vote for either Gore or Kerry and staying home could have put either of them in the WH.

    So tell me what motivates people like you to support Obama. Looks to me like it is being economics and civics challenged. You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works thus need a bigger central govt to provide all that you want and need.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    I knew that logic and common sense weren't your strong suits, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Gee, wonder who a conservative would vote for. Why would any conservative vote for either Gore or Kerry and staying home could have put either of them in the WH.
    Logic certain eludes you -- who would excpect a Liberal to vote for, Obama vs. any of the 7 GOP dwarfs who might run against him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    So tell me what motivates people like you to support Obama. Looks to me like it is being economics and civics challenged. You don't seem to understand how our economy works or now the private sector works thus need a bigger central govt to provide all that you want and need.
    Sorry, but I really can't help someone who is so dense, they didn't understand it the first 1,000 times I said it.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Logic certain eludes you -- who would excpect a Liberal to vote for, Obama vs. any of the 7 GOP dwarfs who might run against him?


    Sorry, but I really can't help someone who is so dense, they didn't understand it the first 1,000 times I said it.
    Just love the personal attacks which make you irrelevant.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I'm pretty sure I've answered this question ... numerous times in fact ... The Great Bush Recession was bigger and deeper than anyone could fully reverse in just a few years. Hell, I just read a report this morning that there were more than 600,000 foreclosures during the third quarter of this year and how we are experiencing the biggest drop in home ownership since the Great Depression. All part of the hangover from Bush's Great Recession.

    No one, especially not McCain, could have fixed Bush's mess this quickly. Hell, had McCain won, he wouldn't have passed a stimulus package like Obama did and we would have continued hemorrhaging jobs at the rate of 700,000 per month for who knows how long. Instead, we got this ...


    Attachment 67116757
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