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TurtleDude said:
poor obama-went to a wealthy prep school in Hawaii and then got into Columbia and Harvard law under affirmative action because he is half-black
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Which is a lot like rich white kids who were born into wealth and went to fancy-shcmancy prep schools and then got into elite colleges like Columbia and Harvard under preferential legacy admissions despite better qualified applicants being ahead of them.
 
haymarket said:
Which is a lot like rich white kids who were born into wealth and went to fancy-shcmancy prep schools and then got into elite colleges like Columbia and Harvard under preferential legacy admissions despite better qualified applicants being ahead of them.
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we all know that Obama refuses to disclose his HS and college record but we also know Obama did not even make Cum Laude or Distinction at Columbia meaning he had lower than a 3.2 average yet he was accepted at Harvard Law (like many other blacks with mediocre grades) in stead of thousands of whites and asians with 3.7 GPAs or higher
 
TurtleDude said:
we all know that Obama refuses to disclose his HS and college record but we also know Obama did not even make Cum Laude or Distinction at Columbia meaning he had lower than a 3.2 average yet he was accepted at Harvard Law (like many other blacks with mediocre grades) in stead of thousands of whites and asians with 3.7 GPAs or higher
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So what? You have made it abundantly clear that you DO NOT support the principle of admitting the best qualified student over the lesser qualified student in college admissions. Supporters of preferences like yourself should be more than fine with the Obama history. It is consistent and in keeping with your own stance on this issue regarding the validity of discriminatory preferences.
 
haymarket said:
So what? You have made it abundantly clear that you DO NOT support the principle of admitting the best qualified student over the lesser qualified student in college admissions. Supporters of preferences like yourself should be more than fine with the Obama history. It is consistent and in keeping with your own stance on this issue regarding the validity of discriminatory preferences.
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I have made it abundantly clear that private colleges should be able to admit whom they want unless it violates laws against racial or ethnic discrimination. I also argue that allowing mediocre black students in over smarter or more qualified asian and white students provides no benefit to either those accepted or those denied. I totally oppose legacy admissions or jobs in the public sector as well.


Its abundantly clear that the obama slurpers will make all sorts of excuses for their shining turd
 
TurtleDude said:
poor obama-went to a wealthy prep school in Hawaii and then got into Columbia and Harvard law under affirmative action because he is half-black
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Interesting how so many people don't know that and never did any research on the Obama resume. Seems that the resume doesn't matter regarding Obama nor do the results.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how so many people don't know that and never did any research on the Obama resume. Seems that the resume doesn't matter regarding Obama nor do the results.
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the press didn't vet him either. lots of his voters had no clue what he stood for or what he even pretended to stand for. I know dozens of pampered country club wives who voted for this guy because they were trying to prove to themselves and each other they either weren't racist or they were "enlightened"

it is hard to fathom a successful presidential candidate whose support was based on so little rational thought.
 
haymarket said:
Which is a lot like rich white kids who were born into wealth and went to fancy-shcmancy prep schools and then got into elite colleges like Columbia and Harvard under preferential legacy admissions despite better qualified applicants being ahead of them.
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Wait a minute haymarket...are you insinuating that some americans have it far easier than other americans to achieve....geez that just blows huge holes in the rich crowd harping that everyone can succeed that isnt lazy....
Just think if everyone was successful...what would the born rich crowd do...they never learned how to take care of themselves or do anything....not only couldnt they build a house...they couldnt pitch their own tent...lol...
 
Conservative said:
Of course there can be a net job gain and rising unemployment i.e. TX. That isn't happening on the national stage and Obama doesn't have a clue how to manage a private sector economy. He is a community organizer and only knows how to divide.

I am getting tired of your bs and typical baiting and trolling. Either offer something of value or I am done with you, not put you on ignore but won't be responding to your posts.
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talk about the pot calling the kettle black........
 
TurtleDude said:
the press didn't vet him either. lots of his voters had no clue what he stood for or what he even pretended to stand for.
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Oh please, we heard it all, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, birth certificates...

Exactly what don't we know now that we didn't know before?

Unfortunately for you, fortunately or unfortunately for John McCain and and Barack Obama it's not up to them, and it's not up to you to decide what the voters get to use in evaluating a candidate.

They knew all that stuff and voted for him anyway. :shrug:

You and Conservative are sour about it and it shows.
 
Conservative said:
We sacrificed hundreds of thousands in previous wars, war is hell but sometimes you have to do what is right even if unpopular. Not sure what world you live in but the world I live in has evil that has to be confronted. Sadddam Hussein, Bin Laden, and all of the terror networks would murder you and your family in a flash. You are very naive as are most liberals and socialists. What would you do to save a family member? Tough world, tough choices have to be made. Good leaders make tough choices. Our troops knew why they were there and they deserve our support and admiration. The left and people like you did more harm to our troops than you will ever know.
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Yeah, some more evil people we haven't gotten rid of that are rooting beneath us are the top 1% CEOs. Mainly the CEO of Goldmen Sachs. He robbed America and got away with it.

Some more evil people we need to do away with, the terrorist in this picture:

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Conservative said:
Interesting how so many people don't know that and never did any research on the Obama resume. Seems that the resume doesn't matter regarding Obama nor do the results.
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What most folks also fail to understand is the affirmative action selection of BO to be President of the Harvard Law Review. He was chosen based on the color of his skin and the way he spoke instead of looking at the body of his scholarly work. They could have looked at his scholarly work if he had any, he didn't. ZERO papers, ZERO case reviews, ZERO work. Harvard had recently decided to change its selection process in order to elevate minorities into prominent positions to give the appearance the school was diverse.....so they picked BO. Now we are constantly told BO is smart based on his track record.........if you want to say a snake oil salesmen is smart since he can convince idiots to believe him, ok, BO's brilliant. He fooled tens of millions into voting for him based on his hope and change BS......how has that worked out for those tools?
 
TurtleDude said:
I have made it abundantly clear that private colleges should be able to admit whom they want unless it violates laws against racial or ethnic discrimination. I also argue that allowing mediocre black students in over smarter or more qualified asian and white students provides no benefit to either those accepted or those denied. I totally oppose legacy admissions or jobs in the public sector as well.


Its abundantly clear that the obama slurpers will make all sorts of excuses for their shining turd
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What you have made abundantly clear is that you completely and utterly reject the basic principle that colleges should admit the best qualified applicant over the lesser qualified applicant.

What results in that rejection is an embracing of self interest over principle.
 
conservativeguy said:
What most folks also fail to understand is the affirmative action selection of BO to be President of the Harvard Law Review. He was chosen based on the color of his skin and the way he spoke instead of looking at the body of his scholarly work. They could have looked at his scholarly work if he had any, he didn't. ZERO papers, ZERO case reviews, ZERO work. Harvard had recently decided to change its selection process in order to elevate minorities into prominent positions to give the appearance the school was diverse.....so they picked BO. Now we are constantly told BO is smart based on his track record.........if you want to say a snake oil salesmen is smart since he can convince idiots to believe him, ok, BO's brilliant. He fooled tens of millions into voting for him based on his hope and change BS......how has that worked out for those tools?
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Complete and utter nonsense, and you know it. Obama became president of the law review because he received the most votes. He got on the law review because he did well in an *anonymous* writing competition. He did in fact publish a case note, and he did graduate Magna, indicating that he was at the top of his class.

Talk about playing the race card ... and playing it badly! :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
we all know that Obama refuses to disclose his HS and college record but we also know Obama did not even make Cum Laude or Distinction at Columbia meaning he had lower than a 3.2 average yet he was accepted at Harvard Law (like many other blacks with mediocre grades) in stead of thousands of whites and asians with 3.7 GPAs or higher
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this thread is not about Obama's education credentials.
 
Conservative said:
Spoken like someone who wasn't around during the Reagan years. Why do you have such a problem keeping more of what you make and benefiting from your own efforts? No thanks? interesting, I never did better than I did during the Reagan years because I was rewarded for my efforts. Do you understand incentive for hard work?

Positive leadership helps form human behavior and that is the difference between the Reagan Leaderhip and lack of Obama leadership. Not sure what you think the solution is but it is obvious that Obama doesn't have a clue. I encourage you to actually look at the results of the Reagan years by listening to his speeches and looking at what he proposed. What is there to not like about his efforts where everyone benefited not just a few.
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I was born in 81'. But that doesn't mean I can't go back and look at voting histories, and review their results, etc. And it's MUCH easier for earlier time periods, because there was a LOT less pork. Not saying the man did a bad job by whatever ruler you measure that by. I'm saying that what this country needs, in my opinion, instead of people bickering over which person to elect, the republican (even if it's Reagan reborn) or the democrat (even if it's JFK back from the dead), we need to eliminate this notion of a two party system. It does WAY more harm than good. It forces most all americans into a hobson's choice, which is no real choice at all. Get rid of the GOP and the DNC, remove a candidate's ability to use a symbol to easily sway the masses to his or her side. Imagine that. A world where people actually have to get to know their candidate, rather than looking to see if there is a D or an R by the name, thinking that THIS gives us some insight into this person's character, beliefs, and platform. Of COURSE I want more money in my pocket, who doesn't? But not at the expense of my future, or my kid's future. How would Reagan handle today's market, with conglomerate megacorps owning the lions share of all products bought, sold, and traded in this country? Would he be just the same as the rest of them? All towing party lines, but in the end, all bowing to the express desires of lobbyists, special interests, stuffing any and all bills full of pork by the barrel, etc. I don't know, and neither do you. And that's a problem.
 
Jryan said:
Yeah, some more evil people we haven't gotten rid of that are rooting beneath us are the top 1% CEOs. Mainly the CEO of Goldmen Sachs. He robbed America and got away with it.

Some more evil people we need to do away with, the terrorist in this picture:

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Do you have a better economic principle and ideology than capitalism? If so, offer it or do you just want to whine and complain? The Occupy Wall Street crowd doesn't have a clue, let's see if you do?
 
AdamT said:
Complete and utter nonsense, and you know it. Obama became president of the law review because he received the most votes. He got on the law review because he did well in an *anonymous* writing competition. He did in fact publish a case note, and he did graduate Magna, indicating that he was at the top of his class.

Talk about playing the race card ... and playing it badly! :lol:
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Wow, he received the most votes in a private meeting of liberthat who were instructed to take race into consideration in the selection process.......that's compelling evidence I was wrong. :lamo
 
haymarket said:
What you have made abundantly clear is that you completely and utterly reject the basic principle that colleges should admit the best qualified applicant over the lesser qualified applicant.

What results in that rejection is an embracing of self interest over principle.
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You having not gone to a top school such as Yale fail to understand that those schools are very expensive and ability to pay is a factor. Where in the rules does it say that a private school has to accept only the objectively best qualified students? NOW at a public school that should be the law but yet many public schools give blacks and other perceived to be unable to properly compete minorities breaks

one thing is true-being black or white or asian or Latino should play absolutely no role in a discussion of qualifications because race is neither a qualification or a detriment when it comes to being a student or MOST Jobs.

ability to pay, and keeping alums happy is a qualification whether you like it or not
and discrimination based on legacy DOES NOT VIOLATE federal law
 
conservativeguy said:
Wow, he received the most votes in a private meeting of liberthat who were instructed to take race into consideration in the selection process.......that's compelling evidence I was wrong. :lamo
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Obama's grades at harvard where he finished in the top fifth of his class or so are beyond dispute. He was elected president of the law review because the dominant liberal vote was split between several candidates and Obama met with the conservative minority and promised them fair treatment if he was elected and they along with some liberals supported him giving him a plurality win. From what several conservatives have said, Obama lived up to his promises

My issue with Obama is the fact that 1000's of whites with far better scores than Obama were turned down by Harvard Law during the period Obama was selected because HLS gave black applicants huge breaks. The years I was college, the LSAT was on the 800 point scale (like the two parts of the SAT-verbal and math) and blacks were given about 130 points on the LSAT and .5 on the GPA meaning a black with a 3.3 and a 650 was more likely to be selected over a white from the same college who had a 3.7 and a 775 LSAT
 
Conservative said:
Do you have a better economic principle and ideology than capitalism? If so, offer it or do you just want to whine and complain? The Occupy Wall Street crowd doesn't have a clue, let's see if you do?[/QUOT]

The top 1% are sitting on-top of 2.2 trillion dollars, do they expand their businesses, no. Do they hire new employees, no. They just sit on it and say, "HAHA its great to be king, sucks to be a peasant." If you expect America to be okay with that, you are sadly mistaken.
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Jryan said:
Conservative said:
Do you have a better economic principle and ideology than capitalism? If so, offer it or do you just want to whine and complain? The Occupy Wall Street crowd doesn't have a clue, let's see if you do?[/QUOT]

The top 1% are sitting on-top of 2.2 trillion dollars, do they expand their businesses, no. Do they hire new employees, no. They just sit on it and say, "HAHA its great to be king, sucks to be a peasant." If you expect America to be okay with that, you are sadly mistaken.
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What do you care what the top 1% holds, how does that affect you and your family? You simply buy what the left tells you and never think. The current economy is 15 trillion dollars and as long as it grows what is preventing you from getting your share of that economy? I am still waiting for a better alternative to capitalism but all you can do is attack someone else who is successful. Why do you want to spread your liberal/socialist misery equally to everyone else?
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What do you care what the top 1% holds, how does that affect you and your family?
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Because that money could be used to create jobs...

Why do you want to spread your liberal/socialist misery equally to everyone else?
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Because it is what I believe to be right.
 
Jryan said:
Because that money could be used to create jobs...



Because it is what I believe to be right.
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Your President has spent over a trillion dollars and we have 2.6 million less employed today than when he took office. That is almost 3 years later. Read a great article on Obama and refute the points made. How long does it take for you to be proven wrong before you admit it?

Charles Krauthammer: Obama resorts to scapegoating - Omaha.com
 
Jryan said:
You haven't proven anything, you have merely just strawmanned me, once again.
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Results don't matter to you, do they? You buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance. What is it going to take to prove to you that you have been made a fool of by liberalism and Obama? Results don't do it,, so what is it going to take?
 
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