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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I can only go on what is it out there and right now it looks Romney is in the lead for the R nomination. So I picked Romney. and a comparison shows a close race.
    Your information is hypothetical. The information that suggests Obama's approval rating is between 38% and 41% is derived from the real actual opinions of the American people. There is a huge difference. One is like using a video game to predict the outcome of a real sports game, and the other one is like the actual half-time score of the actual game.

    I have not yet seen one positive thing come out of the Obama administration. Anyone who is still on the Obama wagon is simply too immature to admit that they just made a bad choice. You are not helping yourself and you are definately not helping America by voting for this failure of a leader.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post

    Actually the information is/was accurate when it was posted.
    Actually, it was not accurtate when he posted it today. He even admitted the last time reporting 38% would have been an accurate number would have been days ago.

    And again, it's not even about the number -- it's about Conservative's ongoing struggles posting accurate information. He posts garbage numbers all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post

    What is funny here is that you and your little team continue to ignore the fact that MOST OF AMERICA is not happy with the job Obama is doing.
    So? Almost all presidents have had JAR numbers south of 50%.

    Here's a list of presidents who were re-elected despite having JAR's below 50% during their term leading up to the election...

    FDR (48%)
    Truman (36%)
    Nixon (48%)
    Reagan (35%)
    Clinton (36%)
    GWBush (41%)

    And here's a list of presidents who failed to get re-elected despite having JAR above 70%
    during their term leading up to the election...

    LBJ (71%)
    Ford (74%)
    Carter (75%)
    GHWBush (89%)

    So if there's anything I'm igonoring as far as JAR, it's the correlation between JAR and being re-elected.


    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post

    If you like him, fine. At least try to grow up enough to give us some actual example of what there is to like.
    I think he's done an ok job only when considering the hand he was dealt. I don't see how McCain could have done any better. But you asked for an example of something he's done that is to like and I'll start with this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti

    This is really more about your personal struggles with conveying accurate and factual information than it is the slight difference between 38% and 41%. How do you not get that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post

    The difference between 38% and 41% is trivial and you look simply pathetic trying to use that as a point of argument.

    It is sad that poeple with your level of maturity and intelligence get to vote and screw things up for the rest of us.
    I thought I was crystal clear that my complaint was not that he was off by a few percentage points but that it's an ongoing problem with him being able to post accurate data. Too bad if crystal clear still wasn't clear enough for you. You'll just have to live with your G-d given limitations.
    Last edited by Sheik Yerbuti; 10-11-11 at 06:47 PM.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Actually, it was not accurtate when he posted it today. He even admitted the last time reporting 38% would have been an accurate number would have been days ago.

    And again, it's not even about the number -- it's about Conservative's ongoing struggles posting accurate information. He posts garbage numbers all the time.


    So? Almost all presidents have had JAR numbers south of 50%.

    Here's a list of presidents who were re-elected despite having JAR's below 50% during their term leading up to the election...

    FDR (48%)
    Truman (36%)
    Nixon (48%)
    Reagan (35%)
    Clinton (36%)
    GWBush (41%)

    And here's a list of presidents who failed to get re-elected despite having JAR above 70%
    during their term leading up to the election...

    LBJ (71%)
    Ford (74%)
    Carter (75%)
    GHWBush (89%)

    So if there's anything I'm igonoring as far as JAR, it's the correlation between JAR and being re-elected.



    I think he's done an ok job only when considering the hand he was dealt. I don't see how McCain could have done any better. But you asked for an example of something he's done that is to like and I'll start with this ...

    6088811219_7177d24faa.jpg



    I thought I was crystal clear that my complaint was not that he was off by a few percentage points but that it's an ongoing problem with him being able to post accurate data. Too bad if crystal clear still wasn't clear enough for you. You'll just have to live with your G-d given limitations.
    Sheik, you are a legend in your own mind, the data I posted was accurate at the time and even though referenced today doesn't change the fact that those poll numbers have fluctuated between 38-42% over the past few months. You claim he has done an OK job although he was handed the hand that he helped deal himself. He has no economic plan other than promoting class warfare and fooling people like you which doesn't really take much. Like far too many who have had zero leadership experience you buy his rhetoric of blaming everyone else for his own failures and for delegation of responsibility. No leader can delegate responsibility, onlyl authority.

    What is crystal clear is that you are putting on an act here as you cannot defend the failed results of this President, results that the American people are rejecting. You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance. It has been over 2 1/2 years and the results generated have been posted over and over again. You claim that no President could do better with the hand he was dealt, Reagan did and did a much better job with a pro growth economic policy. Still waiting for the Obama economic policy?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Sheik, you are a legend in your own mind, the data I posted was accurate at the time and even though referenced today doesn't change the fact that those poll numbers have fluctuated between 38-42% over the past few months. You claim he has done an OK job although he was handed the hand that he helped deal himself. He has no economic plan other than promoting class warfare and fooling people like you which doesn't really take much. Like far too many who have had zero leadership experience you buy his rhetoric of blaming everyone else for his own failures and for delegation of responsibility. No leader can delegate responsibility, onlyl authority.

    What is crystal clear is that you are putting on an act here as you cannot defend the failed results of this President, results that the American people are rejecting. You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance. It has been over 2 1/2 years and the results generated have been posted over and over again. You claim that no President could do better with the hand he was dealt, Reagan did and did a much better job with a pro growth economic policy. Still waiting for the Obama economic policy?
    You just completely ignored his entire post and merely quoted it and went back to your talking points. Sheik, why do you do all this work if he isn't even going to read your posts? Hell, I bet if you searched back through the thread he is now just copy and pasting, wouldn't surprise me.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sheik, you are a legend in your own mind, the data I posted was accurate at the time and even though referenced today doesn't change the fact that those poll numbers have fluctuated between 38-42% over the past few months. You claim he has done an OK job although he was handed the hand that he helped deal himself. He has no economic plan other than promoting class warfare and fooling people like you which doesn't really take much. Like far too many who have had zero leadership experience you buy his rhetoric of blaming everyone else for his own failures and for delegation of responsibility. No leader can delegate responsibility, onlyl authority.
    So Bush is responsible for the 20.7 % point increase in debt to GDP ratio from 2005 to 2009.

    Roosevelt D 19411945 50.4% 117.5% +203 +67.1% D D
    Roosevelt/Truman D 19451949 117.5% 93.1% -8 -24.4% 79th D, 80th R 79th D, 80th R
    Harry Truman D 19491953 93.1% 71.4% +13 -21.7% D D
    Dwight Eisenhower R 19531957 71.4% 60.4% +6 -11.0% 83rd R, 84th D 83rd R, 84th D
    Dwight Eisenhower R 19571961 60.4% 55.2% +20 -5.2% D D
    Kennedy/Johnson D 19611965 55.2% 46.9% +30 -8.3% D D
    Lyndon Johnson D 19651969 46.9% 38.6% +43 -8.3% D D
    Richard Nixon R 19691973 38.6% 35.6% +101 -3.0% D D
    Nixon/Ford R 19731977 35.6% 35.8% +177 +0.2% D D
    Jimmy Carter D 19771981 35.8% 32.5% +288 -3.3% D D
    Ronald Reagan R 19811985 32.5% 43.8% +823 +11.3% D R
    Ronald Reagan R 19851989 43.8% 53.1% +1,050 +9.3% D 99th R, 100th D
    George H. W. Bush R 19891993 53.1% 66.1% +1,483 +13.0% D D
    Bill Clinton D 19931997 66.1% 65.4% +1,018 -0.7% 103rd D, 104th R 103rd D, 104th R
    Bill Clinton D 19972001 65.4% 56.4% +401 -9.0% R R
    George W. Bush R 20012005 56.4% 63.5% +2,135 +7.1% R 107th Split, 108 R
    George W. Bush R 20052009 63.5% 84.2% +3,971 +20.7% 109th R, 110th D 109th R, 110th D
    Barack Obama D 20092010 84.2% 93.2% +1,653 +9.0% 111th D, 112th R D
    (Source: CBO Historical Budget Page and Whitehouse FY 2012 Budget - Table 7.1 Federal Debt at the End of Year PDF, Excel, Senate.gov)

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You just completely ignored his entire post and merely quoted it and went back to your talking points. Sheik, why do you do all this work if he isn't even going to read your posts? Hell, I bet if you searched back through the thread he is now just copy and pasting, wouldn't surprise me.
    I have seen the same thing from Sheik over and over again. You have only been here since September. Sheik is a legend in his own mind taking data out of context and ignores the economic conditiions at various times i the past. Reagan inheritedd worse economic conditions for the working Americans than did Obama no matter how he spins it. He wasn't old enough, Golden Boy wasn't old enough, and you weren't old enough to refute the economic conditions at the time.

    Your loyalty to Obama is quite interesting and normally reserved for the young and naive. It is a shame that actual results aren't something you pay attention to but instead buy the rhetoric from those that you want to believe. Too bad but I assure you that you will grow out of it.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Your loyalty to Obama is quite interesting and normally reserved for the young and naive. It is a shame that actual results aren't something you pay attention to but instead buy the rhetoric from those that you want to believe. Too bad but I assure you that you will grow out of it.
    You keep saying this like there are no democratic adults on this site.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sheik, you are a legend in your own mind, the data I posted was accurate at the time and even though referenced today doesn't change the fact that those poll numbers have fluctuated between 38-42% over the past few months. You claim he has done an OK job although he was handed the hand that he helped deal himself. He has no economic plan other than promoting class warfare and fooling people like you which doesn't really take much. Like far too many who have had zero leadership experience you buy his rhetoric of blaming everyone else for his own failures and for delegation of responsibility. No leader can delegate responsibility, onlyl authority.
    It's. Not. Warfare.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So Bush is responsible for the 20.7 % point increase in debt to GDP ratio from 2005 to 2009.

    Roosevelt D 1941–1945 50.4% 117.5% +203 +67.1% D D
    Roosevelt/Truman D 1945–1949 117.5% 93.1% -8 -24.4% 79th D, 80th R 79th D, 80th R
    Harry Truman D 1949–1953 93.1% 71.4% +13 -21.7% D D
    Dwight Eisenhower R 1953–1957 71.4% 60.4% +6 -11.0% 83rd R, 84th D 83rd R, 84th D
    Dwight Eisenhower R 1957–1961 60.4% 55.2% +20 -5.2% D D
    Kennedy/Johnson D 1961–1965 55.2% 46.9% +30 -8.3% D D
    Lyndon Johnson D 1965–1969 46.9% 38.6% +43 -8.3% D D
    Richard Nixon R 1969–1973 38.6% 35.6% +101 -3.0% D D
    Nixon/Ford R 1973–1977 35.6% 35.8% +177 +0.2% D D
    Jimmy Carter D 1977–1981 35.8% 32.5% +288 -3.3% D D
    Ronald Reagan R 1981–1985 32.5% 43.8% +823 +11.3% D R
    Ronald Reagan R 1985–1989 43.8% 53.1% +1,050 +9.3% D 99th R, 100th D
    George H. W. Bush R 1989–1993 53.1% 66.1% +1,483 +13.0% D D
    Bill Clinton D 1993–1997 66.1% 65.4% +1,018 -0.7% 103rd D, 104th R 103rd D, 104th R
    Bill Clinton D 1997–2001 65.4% 56.4% +401 -9.0% R R
    George W. Bush R 2001–2005 56.4% 63.5% +2,135 +7.1% R 107th Split, 108 R
    George W. Bush R 2005–2009 63.5% 84.2% +3,971 +20.7% 109th R, 110th D 109th R, 110th D
    Barack Obama D 2009–2010 84.2% 93.2% +1,653 +9.0% 111th D, 112th R D
    (Source: CBO Historical Budget Page and Whitehouse FY 2012 Budget - Table 7.1 Federal Debt at the End of Year PDF, Excel, Senate.gov)
    Is that supposed to mean anything? When Obama took office the debt was approximately 10.6 trillion dollars and today it is close to 14.6 trillion or a 4 trillion increase. Do you think taking the debt up 4 trillion dollars or 40% in less than 3 years is as bad as increasing the debt 4.9 trillion in 8 years but increasing the debt at a much higher percentage? It really is hard to deal with people who lack basic logic and common sense.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires (Continued)

    Quote Originally Posted by Snevert View Post
    It's. Not. Warfare.
    Yes it is, when you take the earnings of someone else and tax revenue from 53% of the people who pay FIT and distribute it to the other 47% that don't pay any FIT what would you call it?

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