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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is "Astroturf Synergy" in action.
    Seeing how everyone showed up using their own funding and orchestrated a protest that turned into a national movement without getting tea party Koch funding and a 24 hour news constant promotion and endorsements from Fox and phony spin off tea party orgs run by old hat politicians like Dick Armey... kind of means it's not astroturf. Pretty much makes your post look like "envy" in action.

    The OWS protest got jack **** for media coverage from pretty much anyone for a looooonnng time. Unlike the tea party that got promoted by fox nonstop before each gathering telling people where to go and when to be there and they will put you on the camera all while they got busted rallying the crowd and instructing them on how to act on camera. Then after that, any 3 teabaggers at a town hall got media coverage from all news agencies far more than any coverage the OWS movement has gotten yet.

    What you do see is what Ghandi used to say;

    First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight you,
    Then you win.

    Right now we are at the "they laugh at you" part and moving into "then they fight you" part.
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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Unbiased link?
    Got it.

    Damned if I didn't find it straight from the horses mouth.

    Now, the cite is TPM.

    HOWEVER, it is a report on an actual release from the director of Communications for Koch Industries. It quotes the actual release and followup statements.

    It proves by simple admission that Koch money goes to Tea Party activities.

    It also makes the link to Americans For Prosperity.

    One of the Kochs is a cofounder of the original organization, and current chairman of the board.

    AFP is a primary organizer of Tea Party events. There's LOTS of pictures iirc, of people holding "I Am AFP signs at Tea Party rallies, I remember it being an issue in the news.

    The Kochs donate to AFP, not the Tea Party, and there is no proof that they directed the money to the Tea Party.

    But Koch money went to the Tea Party through AFP.

    Doesn't matter if they even "knew". (Nobody donates to organizations without some idea what thr money is being spent on. David Koch is chairman of the board of AFP. There is NO WAY he was unaware AFP money was going to Tea Party activities.)

    The Kochs gave money to the tea party.

    How much? There's lots of reports of numbers using declarative language, so I'm sure some of it is public record. How much they gave to AFP that is. Goes into a pool. AFP spends it on activities compliant with its charter. Like sponsoring Tea Party events.

    No "specific" donations, just very substantial donations to AFP.

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Seeing how everyone showed up using their own funding and orchestrated a protest that turned into a national movement without getting tea party Koch funding and a 24 hour news constant promotion and endorsements from Fox and phony spin off tea party orgs run by old hat politicians like Dick Armey... kind of means it's not astroturf. Pretty much makes your post look like "envy" in action.

    The OWS protest got jack **** for media coverage from pretty much anyone for a looooonnng time. Unlike the tea party that got promoted by fox nonstop before each gathering telling people where to go and when to be there and they will put you on the camera all while they got busted rallying the crowd and instructing them on how to act on camera. Then after that, any 3 teabaggers at a town hall got media coverage from all news agencies far more than any coverage the OWS movement has gotten yet.

    What you do see is what Ghandi used to say;

    First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight you,
    Then you win.

    Right now we are at the "they laugh at you" part and moving into "then they fight you" part.
    Shut your mouth!

    I swear I used that quote in a conversation with my wife this morning about the whole no coverage for DAYS, then they started mocking, and now today attacking. And I said at this rate we'll be done by Halloween!

    Couldn't remember who it was by.

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Seeing how everyone showed up using their own funding and orchestrated a protest that turned into a national movement without getting tea party Koch funding
    Link? .........

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Got it.

    Damned if I didn't find it straight from the horses mouth.

    Now, the cite is TPM.

    HOWEVER, it is a report on an actual release from the director of Communications for Koch Industries. It quotes the actual release and followup statements.

    It proves by simple admission that Koch money goes to Tea Party activities.

    It also makes the link to Americans For Prosperity.

    One of the Kochs is a cofounder of the original organization, and current chairman of the board.

    AFP is a primary organizer of Tea Party events. There's LOTS of pictures iirc, of people holding "I Am AFP signs at Tea Party rallies, I remember it being an issue in the news.

    The Kochs donate to AFP, not the Tea Party, and there is no proof that they directed the money to the Tea Party.

    But Koch money went to the Tea Party through AFP.

    Doesn't matter if they even "knew". (Nobody donates to organizations without some idea what thr money is being spent on. David Koch is chairman of the board of AFP. There is NO WAY he was unaware AFP money was going to Tea Party activities.)

    The Kochs gave money to the tea party.

    How much? There's lots of reports of numbers using declarative language, so I'm sure some of it is public record. How much they gave to AFP that is. Goes into a pool. AFP spends it on activities compliant with its charter. Like sponsoring Tea Party events.

    No "specific" donations, just very substantial donations to AFP.

    That's the best I'm willing to do.
    Sorry, I see no story or even a link.

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Link? .........
    You want me to link to something showing that they didn't get up-front funding or prove something didn't happen? Too funny. Here you go...

    ===================
    Proving a negative or negative proof may refer to:

    Evidence of absence in general, such as evidence that there is no milk in a certain bowl
    Modus tollens, a logical proof
    Proof of impossibility, mathematics
    Sometimes it is mistaken for an argument from ignorance, which is non-proof and a logical fallacy.

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    The burden of proof would be on you if you want to show they did receive up front funding. Not others to prove they didn't.

    :edit:
    Here's the big comedy of the right and fox news' junkies who listen to nonstop efforts to discredit the movement by conflicting themselves by saying they are scary and unamerican highly organized mobs right after saying they are just a bunch of drum banging hippies without a unified message who aren't even organized enough to take a shower.
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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, I see no story or even a link.
    Ahh I suck.

    Koch Industries: We Don't Fund Tea Parties (Except For The Tea Parties We Fund) | TPMMuckraker

    Apparently the same one already posted.

    Actually read several and that one was the shortest and to the point, including the whole realease, which was a general release to the media, apparently.
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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Shut your mouth!

    I swear I used that quote in a conversation with my wife this morning about the whole no coverage for DAYS, then they started mocking, and now today attacking. And I said at this rate we'll be done by Halloween!

    Couldn't remember who it was by.

    Awesome post!
    I'm in ur head. Stealin' ur thoughts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    I read the article and the “except for the tea party’s we fund” that appears in the headline never is in the article. What is meant to sound like a quote seems to be nothing more than an editorial comment.

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    Re: White House feeds off protest anger

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I read the article and the “except for the tea party’s we fund” that appears in the headline never is in the article. What is meant to sound like a quote seems to be nothing more than an editorial comment.
    You're missing the point, but that's not a surprise.

    When are you all going to get over the fact that unbiased media doesn't exist? The article is either going to be from a pro-Tea Party outlet, or from an anti-Tea Party one. Since the pro-TP outlets are not likely to point out anything negative about the TP, you're stuck with anti.


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