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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What makes it unreasonable? In fact, it's much more likely as I've explained his tactics are very common place and are used by many different people of different political backgrounds. And I didn't say you said he was a conservative, I just pointed that fact out, that his tactics were created for liberal progressives to use against Conservatives.

    It depends, as always, on the context of the situation being discussed. At risk of being repetitive, since so much of his tactics are commonplace, many people may use the tactic without knowing where it originated or by whom.

    I was asking if you have a specific instance in mind in which case I can use my copy of R4R and see if the tactic is one mentioned.

    Well I am very cynical at times that's very true.

    I would guess... though "mob" may be a closer reality than "racist" when comparing. Now if it was "anti-semitic mob" it would be on par with calling the tea party racists.
    Actually, the KKK thing is just a variation on agents provocateur. Donning the trappings of your enemy and doing things that will make them look bad.

    I need to read that one, actually. But I bet he's only building on history and the works of previous propagandists. Maybe with a little early cognition influence.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    As far as I can tell, you seem to think I am practicing some formal or informal debate method rather than simply stating what I think.
    Since I'm too lazy to re-hash this I'll simply refer you to the Redress conversation.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-u...post1059852123


    The only difference here is instead of the comment being made about socialism, it's made about Alinsky. The purpose was and is the same. Do you deny the purpose of your statement was dismissive and designed in order to evade discussion of Alinsky? If you say it wasn't I'm fine with that.... however, I've been on enough forums to know and read how and why dismissive comments are made and have seen enough debate about the definition of something to know when it's an attempt at misdirection. Perhaps you were just unaware - which is also just fine. No worries.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Since I'm too lazy to re-hash this I'll simply refer you to the Redress conversation.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-u...post1059852123


    The only difference here is instead of the comment being made about socialism, it's made about Alinsky. The purpose was and is the same. Do you deny the purpose of your statement was dismissive and designed in order to evade discussion of Alinsky? If you say it wasn't I'm fine with that.... however, I've been on enough forums to know and read how and why dismissive comments are made and have seen enough debate about the definition of something to know when it's an attempt at misdirection. Perhaps you were just unaware - which is also just fine. No worries.
    Ok, so you think you are the victim of some sort of conspiracy then?

    The entire premise of my dismissive attitude is that I think you are being silly. There is nothing deeper here.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok, so you think you are the victim of some sort of conspiracy then?
    I think I clearly stated in the thread I provided what I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The entire premise of my dismissive attitude is that I think you are being silly. There is nothing deeper here.
    That's fine.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I think I clearly stated in the thread I provided what I think.

    That's fine.


    Well this thread went weird.

    Anyway ... moving on ...

    What was the topic?

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post


    Well this thread went weird.
    You played your part well I thought.... you were there... remember?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You played your part well I thought.... you were there... remember?
    Thing is, I didn't play any parts...

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thing is, I didn't play any parts...
    I guess it must have been someone else then.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I guess it must have been someone else then.
    But you were responding to me...

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    But you were responding to me...
    And vice versa --- communication is commonly done that way apparently.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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