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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    C'mon.

    One white guy, with signs from a group whose website says nothing about a OWS presence, and a bunch of signs in spanish carried by PERFECT STEREOTYPES of illegal immigrants, right down to one of them carrying his lunch box.

    Sounds identical to the alinsky example used.

    The group he allegedly represented is a tenants rights group, not an immigrants rights group. Didn't even see anything that indicated they were particularl9 interested in immigrants TENANT rights.

    Id really like to know what those signs actually said.
    Not that many didn't try and disparage the Tea Party with this same kind of stuff. Did you?

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    taxing the rich more and whining about corporations is reactionary. It has its roots in those who whined about "Papist immigrants" and Jewish "bankers" more than a century ago.

    its losers blaming their failures on idiotic conspiracy theories perpetrated by the winners
    ah yes, label those who disagree with you "anti-Semites" and "Conspiracy theorists", rather than having the integrity to attack their actual views and ideas. that's real big of you.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not that many didn't try and disparage the Tea Party with this same kind of stuff. Did you?
    Nope.

    I don't agree with much of anything they have to say, but I have spoken up repeatedly about the racism brush being applied to the group based on the actions of some of its members.

    I have been (annoyingly) acknowledging sneaky deceptive **** from the left here pretty regularly. Deceptive persuasive messaging is my whole thing. I don't like it when anybody does it, and in order to maintain credibility I have to acknowledge it when it costs my "side" points. I don't want "my" side to win by these tactics. I want to render these tactics moot through education.

    I want everybody to start being more honest.
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nope.

    I don't agree with much of anything they have to say, but I have spoken up repeatedly about the racism brush being applied to the group based on the actions of some of its members.
    O.K. good, I couldn't recall.

    I have been (annoyingly) acknowledging sneaky deceptive **** from the left here pretty regularly. Deceptive persuasive messaging is my whole thing. I don't like it when anybody does it, and in order to maintain credibility I have to acknowledge it when it costs my "side" points. I don't want "my" side to win by these tactics. I want to render these tactics moot through education.

    I want everybody to start being more honest.
    I would hope that this causes many to realize this. I have my doubts though. It does give you insight into who really wants change and who simply are pimping for the political party of their choice.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Could be... then we get to the evidence portion. And then we have to ask ourselves --- are there some people who are really that stupid? I think both are possible, certainly.



    I wish I could tell you but I don't speak spanish.

    Edit:

    I just looked at the video again and caught two things:
    1.) The guy who initially is talking has wrathofmcgrath.com at the bottom of his sign. I went to that site and it seems like a legit dude (the guy who was speaking - it's him) and he's described as a Democratic Peace Now Party member. I read a bit of his blog --- it seems very anti big bank and pro UHC, though not much since 2010 apparently.
    Here's a few snippits:



    2.) The Google Translation of the signs in Spanish (all the signs said the same thing) in a literal sense was:

    Escucha wall St.
    escuchen bancos grandes
    Deuuelue nuestro dinero

    which translates into

    Listen to Wall St.
    major banks listen
    Hurt our money



    It doesn't on the surface seem to me to be an Alinsky like trick as I described the one in 1972. Perhaps you will have some luck finding evidence to support your claim - but I did not.
    Thanks.

    So it looks like we're back to a knucklehead who hired a bunch of illegals to carry signs.

    Somebody who missed their Alinsky, Luntz AND Lakoff.
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    They weren't occupying an area around the clock. They were gathering for a few hours to listen to their republican candidates and then they left with their pre-made, glossy signs as a souvenir.

    Is this accurate?
    I've seen a few nice glossy signs out of the OWS guys as well (my bet would be they concentrate where the union guys are), but generally both movements were dominated by the hand-made variety; and the Tea Party folks were about as likely to rail against Republicans as for them.

    That being said, you are correct that the Tea Party did not try to occupy anything for weeks, instead having rallies that lasted a day, picking up their trash, and then going home.

    Because most of them had to go back to work being productive members of society the next day.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You made an excuse and dismissed the topic of Alinsky as invalid and only used when someone doesn't have facts. Sure it's a tactic - perhaps you didn't know that and just reflexively did it? Certainly possible.
    Ok, so you seem to actually believe what you are posting. Amazing.
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok, so you seem to actually believe what you are posting. Amazing.
    And I believe you really have no idea what I'm talking about.... just as amazing.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And I believe you really have no idea what I'm talking about.... just as amazing.
    As far as I can tell, you seem to think I am practicing some formal or informal debate method rather than simply stating what I think.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then I am sure you would apply the same restraint to paint with broad brushes, the Tea Party? Look, no one advocates crony capitalism, in fact when it happened with the Bush administration it was just as wrong as when Obama does it with Solyndra. Right?



    But that is my point, independents, Libertarians, Socialists, Communists, and any other group is able to get on the ballots by conforming to the rules that everyone else has to follow. There are plenty of alternatives if you look for them. However, if it is as you say a "structural issue" that would imply that you want to tear down that structure, and my question is replace it with what?




    Then they are not locked into voting for those two are they? I mean I already pointed out that other parties exist....



    We have that already. The fact that the two biggest dominate the political landscape is in no way demonstrative that others are not out there.



    Language means alot, and to date some of our language is being changed to mean something it is not. ie; democratic, or democracy in total, in today's speak has little to do with actual freedom.



    No, it was claimed on a National broadcast, by a media that largely has an anti Tea Party/Pro Obama agenda. Show me pics, or video of this happening, and then who was charged, arrested, or prosecuted for this.

    Until then it is a lie.



    So there you have it, the media inflated this intentionally as some do today to generalize that all Tea partiers are racists, and spit on black caucus members...So why is again that I shouldn't do that concerning that jack ass verbally attacking the Jewish man at the OWS?

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