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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I disagree j-mac, posting a video of one individual and trying to pretend that represents the whole movement is no different than saying the Tea partier that spit on the black Democratic Congressman and called him a ni--- represents the whole Tea Party.
    It's not representative (at least not that I'm aware of) but it also doesn't help. I don't think anyone is saying this idiot depicted is indicative of the OWS group or that the OWS majority holds such anti-semitic views. It just goes to show that where there are masses of people, the whack-o's are inevitably included.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The face of OWS...
    and the debatepolitics middle eastern forum.
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's just the way partisan politics and media works. The same was true of the Tea Party being called racist 10 ways to Sunday by Congressional Democrats, the Congressional Black Caucus, the Media, the Liberal pundits, etc. I think this group knows that, but they cannot counter it.... and what I meant by they are taring and feathering themselves is, that there are many signs and people who fall right into the criticisms and gladly do - which does not help their cause but detracts from it. The majority of America's middle class, lower middle class and upper middle class politically and ideologically do not resonate with the message in NYC by the OWS crowd While this may be garnering media coverage and comment by politicians, it's not yet focused or tempered for the main stream masses. The OWS groups are appealing to others who share their various and differing philosophy's.
    Quote Originally Posted by rasmussen reports
    Americans are divided on the protestors themselves. Thirty-three percent (33%) have a favorable opinion, 27% hold an unfavorable view, and a plurality of 40% have no opinion one way or the other. Fifty percent (50%) of Democrats have a favorable opinion while a plurality of Republicans (43%) say the opposite. Among those not affiliated with either major party, a solid plurality (45%) have no opinion. Most unaffiliateds are not following the story.
    The only polling I have seen so far is from Rasmussen, and right now the OWS guys are about as popular as the Tea Party people. This intuitively makes sense to me since both groups represent the extremes of the liberals or conservatives and the us is a pretty centrist country, going slightly right in terms of economic policy and slightly left in terms of social policy.

    I expect though, in terms of popularity, the OWS guys will grow in popularity as more people become interested in the story and then popularity will plummet, following the same trend as the tea party does. This is because our population likes new and shiny things and then are less in awe as they learn sordid details.
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Hundreds of 'Occupy Wall Street' protesters arrested - Oct. 2, 2011
    "Over 700 summonses and desk appearance tickets have been issued in connection with the demonstration on the Brooklyn Bridge ... after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway," said Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner for the New York City Police Department.

    Browne said authorities had warned protesters they would be arrested if they occupied the roadway.

    "Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested," he said.


    I would agree with that statement. Maybe not the specific goals part. The whole point is anger at inequality and anger at our corporate/financial powers that be that have bought Washington and profited greatly while Americans have been suffering in the current economy.



    Of course it's new still. It takes time to come up with an actual list of goals.
    I'll axiously wait for them to come up with something beside more slogans exaggerated dramatizations. The so-called 99% movement is just another example of their lack of substance.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I'll axiously wait for them to come up with something beside more slogans exaggerated dramatizations. The so-called 99% movement is just another example of their lack of substance.
    I'm part of their alleged 99% and I'm not resonating with anything I've seen so far with the exception of the bail outs being a bad move.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    The majority of America's middle class, lower middle class and upper middle class politically and ideologically do not resonate with the message
    I disagree with this, I think as of now most Americans would agree somethign stinks in corporate America and government. The differences are what to do to change it. I think the overall message is agreed by most Americans.
    According to you. Others may see an insurgent as nothing more than a terrorist. Iraqi's may have the opinion that what American's called "insurgents" were actually "freedom fighters". I understand your view and opinion - but do not think for a moment that there is consensus as to the definitions - there are not.
    Well, freedom fighter is definately a very subjective term. I agree with you as well. Freedom Fighter is very subjective. My only point is that there is a difference from say an insurgent/resistence fighter and a terrorists. I agree with the saying "one mans terrorists is anothers freedom fighter". I agree in what the saying conveys. I'm just pointing out, at the root there are differences in the terms and a lot of times they are mislabeled by one side or another. It seems we agree on this, I just was mentioning that it doesn't make the mis-use of the terms correct.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's great, you are definately a fan of liberty.
    I'm an Authoritarian. I have gone out of my way to state the FACT that I am no fan of Liberty as currently engendered in this country. I never have been and probably never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm an Authoritarian. I have gone out of my way to state the FACT that I am no fan of Liberty as currently engendered in this country. I never have been and probably never will be.
    Extreme authoritarianism is fascism isn't it?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Extreme authoritarianism is fascism isn't it?
    Fascism requires other factors as well, or else you could have communism, despotism, monarchism, etc and still be authoritarian.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Extreme authoritarianism is fascism isn't it?
    At the extreme end, and with some slight tweaks, yes.

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