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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Being arrested does not mean being violent. You can be arrested for not having a permit to protest. You can be arrested for walking on the road. It seems like you're making an assumption that all arrests were violent in nature.
    Perhaps your unaware - but are you saying the NYC police are pepper spraying masses of people and arresting them for no reason? Yes there are passive demonstrations, for example people lying in the middle of the road who do not move who are picked up, moved physically and arrested... but I don't see a lot of that going on in the NYC OWS area.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I was also speaking of reactionary movements compared to radical movements. In your statement basically trying to tar the left you threw in Marxists revolutionaries and every brand of radical movement. The opposite of radical movements is reactionary and they are just as violent.
    I don't have to tar them, they're "tarring themselves" so to speak simply with the messages they are bringing forth. One persons "reactionary" is another's "radical" so the subjective use of terminology and language doesn't quite nail it either.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the OWS is actually the reactionary movement.
    As I just stated... one persons "reactionary" is another's "revolutionary". Similar to the "freedom fighter" versus "terrorist" comparison.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Let them eat cake.

    These folks CHOSE to come and engage in this form of protest. Personally, I think it's laughable, but hey it's their choice. What infuriates ME is that on the Greenway in Boston, the CITY is providing these people with electricity, garbage disposal, and portable toilets (from what I hear) AT NO COST TO THEM!!!! These people don't even have the proper permits to be there, and the City is providing them with these things at the TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE. Let the riot police come in and clean them out. If they need some backup, I'm sure I could get some of my medieval recreationist friends to put our armor on and come help clear the streets of this refuse.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    I don't have to tar them, they're "tarring themselves" so to speak simply with the messages they are bringing forth. One persons "reactionary" is another's "radical" so the subjective use of terminology and language doesn't quite nail it either.
    They aren't tarring themselves. Their message is popular. As of now the protests are are more popular in public opinion polls than the Tea Party. Do you have something that points to them "tarring themselves"?

    You're the one making a blanket statement that the occupy wall street crowd is violent and apparently have a view that any sort of protest on the left is inherently violent while the right is inherently not violent. So you're more than willing to use language and terminology to make a blanket statement. You just want to fit that terminology and language to fit a view you have not their definitions.

    Perhaps your unaware - but are you saying the NYC police are pepper spraying masses of people and arresting them for no reason? Yes there are passive demonstrations, for example people lying in the middle of the road who do not move who are picked up, moved physically and arrested... but I don't see a lot of that going on in the NYC OWS area.
    They arrested them for walking on the street. That's when the majority of arrests took place. You should be able to point out the violence of the movement then. it should be easy if 700 people were arrested for inciting violence.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Let them eat cake.

    These folks CHOSE to come and engage in this form of protest. Personally, I think it's laughable, but hey it's their choice. What infuriates ME is that on the Greenway in Boston, the CITY is providing these people with electricity, garbage disposal, and portable toilets (from what I hear) AT NO COST TO THEM!!!! These people don't even have the proper permits to be there, and the City is providing them with these things at the TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE. Let the riot police come in and clean them out. If they need some backup, I'm sure I could get some of my medieval recreationist friends to put our armor on and come help clear the streets of this refuse.
    That's great, you are definately a fan of liberty.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's great, you are definately a fan of liberty.
    I take insult on your username. What's wrong with ramen?
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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As I just stated... one persons "reactionary" is another's "revolutionary". Similar to the "freedom fighter" versus "terrorist" comparison.
    The freedom fighter vs terrorists is not a the same thing. A terrorists uses terror usually against a civilian population to get what they want. A freedom fighter generally targets the military or infrastructure that supports the military. The French resistence in WWII did not target the general population, they targeted rail lines.

    I think it's hard to paint the occupy wall street group as reactionary because their whole movment is focused on the status quo, the 1% controlling the wealth.

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They aren't tarring themselves. Their message is popular. As of now the protests are are more popular in public opinion polls than the Tea Party. Do you have something that points to them "tarring themselves"?
    I've listed in another thread, the 4 different demands of the various people calling themselves OWS.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059860264


    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    You're the one making a blanket statement that the occupy wall street crowd is violent and apparently have a view that any sort of protest on the left is inherently violent while the right is inherently not violent. So you're more than willing to use language and terminology to make a blanket statement. You just want to fit that terminology and language to fit a view you have not their definitions.
    I'm stating that, when comparing the OWS to the Tea Party rallies of the past, the OWS are more violent (not I did NOT say they are all violent). I have also stated multiple times that OWS needs to focus their message and make it coherent and organized if they are to be taken seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They arrested them for walking on the street. That's when the majority of arrests took place. You should be able to point out the violence of the movement then. it should be easy if 700 people were arrested for inciting violence.
    I see, so you're claiming the arrests were bogus, and were simply for "walking on the street". Can you provide evidence of these bogus arrests and use of pepper spray? And can I assume that there will be legal suits brought against the NYC Police Department because of them?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    I take insult on your username. What's wrong with ramen?
    I'm actually a huge fan of Ramen!

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    Re: Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The freedom fighter vs terrorists is not a the same thing. A terrorists uses terror usually against a civilian population to get what they want. A freedom fighter generally targets the military or infrastructure that supports the military. The French resistence in WWII did not target the general population, they targeted rail lines.
    You missed the meaning ... "one persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist". It means different people have different views of the same action. I'm hoping I don't have to explain this concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think it's hard to paint the occupy wall street group as reactionary because their whole movment is focused on the status quo, the 1% controlling the wealth.
    I agree, it would be hard to paint the occupy wall street group as reactionary.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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