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Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

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A Pakistani commission investigating the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden says a doctor accused of helping the CIA should be tried for high treason.

Dr Shakil Afridi is accused of running a CIA-sponsored fake vaccine programme in Abbottabad, where Bin Laden was killed, to try to get DNA samples.

He was arrested shortly after the 2 May US raid that killed the al-Qaeda chief.

The commission has been interviewing intelligence officials and on Wednesday spoke to Bin Laden family members.
Pakistan, which was deeply embarrassed by the raid, has described the covert US special forces operation as a violation of its sovereignty.

A government commission, headed by a former Supreme Court judge, has been charged with discovering how the US military was able to carry out the raid deep within Pakistan without being detected.
BBC News - Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason
 
Here is a job for the CIA. They need to smuggle this Doctor and his family out of the Country before they can execute him if there is any way to do it.
 
If the Pakistan government intended to help the US find OBL, as they stated, how has this doctor committed treason?
 
If the Pakistan government intended to help the US find OBL, as they stated, how has this doctor committed treason?
Apparently they lied when they said they wanted to help us find OBL.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.
 
Pakistan has to play both sides of the fence. Nothing they say can be taken on face value. They will say that they will help us and not and they will say they didn't when they did.

We'll see what happens here.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.

If Pakistan didn't have nukes, I'd be with you on that one buddy.

Pakistan however does have an ally that doesn't really care what it does, and that's China.

The thing is niether the US nor the Chinese can afford to let Pakistan go failed state.

I really, truly, madly, deeply hope there's a contingency plan in place to invade Pakistan, secure all Nuclear Weapons and ship them out of the country if things go pear shaped.

More likely they'll just bumrush money to whichever army general can bring things under control as fast as possible but I hope there's a plan beyond that.
 
The collusion with terrorist in Pakistan is very worrisome. I feel it is only a matter of time until a nuclear device is handed off to alquiada and 9-11 becomes a small event in comparison. Imagine if NYC was literally wiped off the map. If I was president this would keep me up nights. The first thing I would do is secure our border with Mexico, that I believe would be the point of entry for such a device.
 
The collusion with terrorist in Pakistan is very worrisome.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Never forget that.

You can buy a countrys president, it's generals.

But you can't buy its people and its army.

That doesn't make what's happening right, but to understand it requires an ability to look at things from a perspective I suspect you are not capable of.
 
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Never forget that.

You can buy a countrys president, it's generals.

But you can't buy its people and its army.

That doesn't make what's happening right, but to understand it requires an ability to look at things from a perspective I suspect you are not capable of.

Defending terrorist huh, SHEEESH! You are correct I am not capable of seeing terrorist as freedom fighters.
 
Defending terrorist huh, SHEEESH! You are correct I am not capable of seeing terrorist as freedom fighters.

That's exactly the response I thought you would provide. Proving my point.

I'm not defending terrorists, that response clearly shows you cannot comprehend my point that you and I may see those people as terrorists, and I do, and you do, believe me.

But the ability to understand why some people could see them in a positive light is a skill rather then a weakness, understanding how your enemy thinks and being flexible in understanding different viewpoints is one of many keys to victory.
 
Defending terrorist huh, SHEEESH! You are correct I am not capable of seeing terrorist as freedom fighters.

George Washington and Francis Marion were examples of American freedom fighters who the brits viewed as traitorous terrorists

to many of the disenfranchised moslems of the middle east, osama bin laden is their version of George Washington; someone who chose to fight on their behalf for their freedom

an inability to comprehend that reality prevents one from being able to understand the complexities of middle east power and politics

the inability to distinguish between an explanation of a terrorist versus the defense of a terrorist similarly prevents one from being found credible
 
Considering OBL himself and the Taliban were the entities deemed 'Freedom Fighters' by the US and the US helped them when they were fighting Russia on the Afghan border, Jet and Bubba have a point.

Not everyone has the US's POV about the various factions in the Middle East (and elsewhere). We see the Pakistani doctor as a covet CIA operative who provided DNA evidence that the man in the complex was OBL. The Pakistani government sees him as spy and a traitor.

Since the invasion of Iraqi under false pretenses, the use of Latino workers without adequate payment or protections for decades and the torture at Gitmo became public, even some of our former allies are viewing the US as a going-rouge nation.

I often mention the need to maintain the image of a nation that does not infringe the basic human rights rights of others globally or domestically, does not use its big stick to rob other countries of their resources and way of life, and does not 'bum-rush' money to those taking over another countries government only to find out the US has been helping a group like Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Many on the right say something like "Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?". What will the US do if the General we help shore up Pakistan turns out to be anti-US, a Pakistani nuke does end up turning NYC into Chernobyl and much of the world says "They had it coming."
 
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.

we should immediately pull out, but we should also keep diplomatic relations with Pakistan. the best scenario seems to be that our two nations keep pretending we're friends. it seems to accomplish little aside from maintaining a meaningless relationship, but saving face is more important in other parts of the world than it is here.
 
Here is a job for the CIA. They need to smuggle this Doctor and his family out of the Country before they can execute him if there is any way to do it.

The sad part is they probably won't. The CIA has a history of letting the people who helped them get killed, imprisoned, tortured, etc.
 
How do we know that any of this is as it seems at face value ? Pakistan has been playing all sides for over four decades now. Their history is wrought with appearing one way on the surface, while doing something else in the shadows.

With UBL, they have a large part of their populace that saw his assassination as an affront to their sovereignty, and would have been highly upset if their own government had OK'd it. So their government looked the other way, then feigned shock and outrage after it was over. This is typical Pakistan. Plausable deniability all over again.
 
The situation in Pakistan is full of deceit. I guess one more deception doesn't really change the game... though for the record I do think what the doctor did is immoral.
 
The situation in Pakistan is full of deceit. I guess one more deception doesn't really change the game... though for the record I do think what the doctor did is immoral.

Really? Collecting DNA samples (which is not harmful) as a pretense to catch a mass murder is immoral? I can't agree with that.

If someone came to my door asking to collect DNA samples for the Human Genome project, I would freely give it. If I later learned the "sampler" was actually an FBI agent trying to catch a mass killer of 3,000 innocents, I would march straight to the phone to call the FBI and say, "do you need any more DNA?"
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.

So let's discuss our plan on the internet then. That will make it much easier for us to fool the enemy.
 
That's exactly the response I thought you would provide. Proving my point.

I'm not defending terrorists, that response clearly shows you cannot comprehend my point that you and I may see those people as terrorists, and I do, and you do, believe me.

But the ability to understand why some people could see them in a positive light is a skill rather then a weakness, understanding how your enemy thinks and being flexible in understanding different viewpoints is one of many keys to victory.

You've brighten my day.

That is the viewpoint of one of our candidate but was labeled in a similar fashion as you were by Rick Santorum.
 
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The sad part is they probably won't. The CIA has a history of letting the people who helped them get killed, imprisoned, tortured, etc.

It's a complex strategy called "Handing over hearts and minds".
 
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The best option would be to try and buy the guys freedom from the Pakistani government.
 
That's exactly the response I thought you would provide. Proving my point.

I'm not defending terrorists, that response clearly shows you cannot comprehend my point that you and I may see those people as terrorists, and I do, and you do, believe me.

But the ability to understand why some people could see them in a positive light is a skill rather then a weakness, understanding how your enemy thinks and being flexible in understanding different viewpoints is one of many keys to victory.

This islamic fascist be us or die movement can in no way be called freedom fighters. If you can in any way see their side I guess you can see Satans side too. Damn that sounded religious. LOL
 
This islamic fascist be us or die movement can in no way be called freedom fighters. If you can in any way see their side I guess you can see Satans side too. Damn that sounded religious. LOL

to say nothing of idiotic
 
This islamic fascist be us or die movement can in no way be called freedom fighters. If you can in any way see their side I guess you can see Satans side too. Damn that sounded religious. LOL

It's simply not that simple.

Let's try a little pretending, do you remember pretend? Barney the Dinosaur use to teach it to us. Anywho.

Let's say you're an uneducated farm boy in the mountains of Afghanistan, you don't have anything, I mean like you and your entire family live in a one room hut where you all sleep on the floor and **** outside.

While you're tending to your small herd an American airstrike destroys your hut and kills your entire family... mom, dad, your two sisters and your baby brother...

Some guys come to you and ask "Do you wanna get revenge?"

That doesn't excuse or make me happy that he went into a market and blew himself up, or killed American soldiers. It doesn't.

But it explains WHY he does what he does, and until you understand that, peel back the "They're all just evil" simpleton viewpoint, only then can you begin to turn back the tide.
 
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