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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Defending terrorist huh, SHEEESH! You are correct I am not capable of seeing terrorist as freedom fighters.
    That's exactly the response I thought you would provide. Proving my point.

    I'm not defending terrorists, that response clearly shows you cannot comprehend my point that you and I may see those people as terrorists, and I do, and you do, believe me.

    But the ability to understand why some people could see them in a positive light is a skill rather then a weakness, understanding how your enemy thinks and being flexible in understanding different viewpoints is one of many keys to victory.

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Defending terrorist huh, SHEEESH! You are correct I am not capable of seeing terrorist as freedom fighters.
    George Washington and Francis Marion were examples of American freedom fighters who the brits viewed as traitorous terrorists

    to many of the disenfranchised moslems of the middle east, osama bin laden is their version of George Washington; someone who chose to fight on their behalf for their freedom

    an inability to comprehend that reality prevents one from being able to understand the complexities of middle east power and politics

    the inability to distinguish between an explanation of a terrorist versus the defense of a terrorist similarly prevents one from being found credible
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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Considering OBL himself and the Taliban were the entities deemed 'Freedom Fighters' by the US and the US helped them when they were fighting Russia on the Afghan border, Jet and Bubba have a point.

    Not everyone has the US's POV about the various factions in the Middle East (and elsewhere). We see the Pakistani doctor as a covet CIA operative who provided DNA evidence that the man in the complex was OBL. The Pakistani government sees him as spy and a traitor.

    Since the invasion of Iraqi under false pretenses, the use of Latino workers without adequate payment or protections for decades and the torture at Gitmo became public, even some of our former allies are viewing the US as a going-rouge nation.

    I often mention the need to maintain the image of a nation that does not infringe the basic human rights rights of others globally or domestically, does not use its big stick to rob other countries of their resources and way of life, and does not 'bum-rush' money to those taking over another countries government only to find out the US has been helping a group like Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Many on the right say something like "Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?". What will the US do if the General we help shore up Pakistan turns out to be anti-US, a Pakistani nuke does end up turning NYC into Chernobyl and much of the world says "They had it coming."
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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.
    we should immediately pull out, but we should also keep diplomatic relations with Pakistan. the best scenario seems to be that our two nations keep pretending we're friends. it seems to accomplish little aside from maintaining a meaningless relationship, but saving face is more important in other parts of the world than it is here.

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Here is a job for the CIA. They need to smuggle this Doctor and his family out of the Country before they can execute him if there is any way to do it.
    The sad part is they probably won't. The CIA has a history of letting the people who helped them get killed, imprisoned, tortured, etc.
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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    How do we know that any of this is as it seems at face value ? Pakistan has been playing all sides for over four decades now. Their history is wrought with appearing one way on the surface, while doing something else in the shadows.

    With UBL, they have a large part of their populace that saw his assassination as an affront to their sovereignty, and would have been highly upset if their own government had OK'd it. So their government looked the other way, then feigned shock and outrage after it was over. This is typical Pakistan. Plausable deniability all over again.

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    The situation in Pakistan is full of deceit. I guess one more deception doesn't really change the game... though for the record I do think what the doctor did is immoral.

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The situation in Pakistan is full of deceit. I guess one more deception doesn't really change the game... though for the record I do think what the doctor did is immoral.
    Really? Collecting DNA samples (which is not harmful) as a pretense to catch a mass murder is immoral? I can't agree with that.

    If someone came to my door asking to collect DNA samples for the Human Genome project, I would freely give it. If I later learned the "sampler" was actually an FBI agent trying to catch a mass killer of 3,000 innocents, I would march straight to the phone to call the FBI and say, "do you need any more DNA?"

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is time we pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and broke off all support and diplomatic relations with Pakistan. We can't break away while our troops are in Afghanistan because we have go thru Pakistan to get the Afghanistan. No other country in the region would allow use to go overland or use their airspace.
    So let's discuss our plan on the internet then. That will make it much easier for us to fool the enemy.

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    Re: Bin Laden death: 'CIA doctor' accused of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's exactly the response I thought you would provide. Proving my point.

    I'm not defending terrorists, that response clearly shows you cannot comprehend my point that you and I may see those people as terrorists, and I do, and you do, believe me.

    But the ability to understand why some people could see them in a positive light is a skill rather then a weakness, understanding how your enemy thinks and being flexible in understanding different viewpoints is one of many keys to victory.
    You've brighten my day.

    That is the viewpoint of one of our candidate but was labeled in a similar fashion as you were by Rick Santorum.
    Last edited by jasonxe; 10-07-11 at 08:07 PM.



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