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Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Unions like many of the protesters are Anti-American and have no clue what runs the economy.

Unions need to charged under RICO Laws for using threats and intimidation to coerce what they want from business and Governments.

Bid business creates the money that drives people to create jobs and new small businesses that are the greatest engines for growth.

These idiot protesters need to be going after Obama and the Liberal agenda that has created more problems than any group in our Nation's history like the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 that told banks and savings and loans to make loaned to people who could never pay their bills.
 
Councilman said:
Unions like many of the protesters are Anti-American and have no clue what runs the economy.
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corporations = one share one vote
unions = one man one vote

And it's the unions that are "anti-American". So much hate for democracy you have.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Why does everything you don't like have to be Anti-American?
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Probably just picking it up from his GOP leaders who are constantly using that phrase when they don't get their way.

Representative Peter King:

“They have no sense of purpose other than a basically anti-American tone and anti-capitalist. It’s a ragtag mob basically.”
 
poweRob said:
anti-capitalist.[/I]
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To be fair some of them are.

But the thing is there's nothing wrong with that. It's a free country, people are allowed to express their political opinions, even if they are misguided.

I'm a former communist, don't support that kind of thinking anymore but there's no reason why others shouldn't be allowed to.
 
hazlnut said:
shorting stocks = keeping the market honest.

And when you find the link proving the tobacco 'gabillions' you'll be sure to post it, right?
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Really? THATS what concerns you? Not his constant relationship with the president or the financial contributions to his campaign. Not the 35.8 k a plate Chicago fundraiser this year (which bombed-and for the record...I knew about the 28.5k a plate fundraiser in 08...who n]knew that the meal ticket price had gone up 10k in only 3 years?)? Buffets investment in Tobacco? Well...
"I’ll tell you why I like the cigarette business. It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a dollar. It’s addictive. And there’s fantastic brand loyalty."
Warren Buffett
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John A. Wiley & Sons


Publishing


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Altria (NYSE: MO )


Cigarettes


4,822%




Hologic (Nasdaq: HOLX )


Health-Care Equipment


2,709%




Towers Watson


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EnergySolutions (NYSE: ES )


Nuclear Waste Disposal


869%
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Why does everything you don't like have to be Anti-American?
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Why are so many Liberals Anti-American?

There are a lot of things that don't see as anti-American. Why is it you can't see it when it is clear?

For example Obama was raised by Communists from his Mother father, stepfather, grand parents and he was surrounded by them in college,, then he spent 20 years listening to Rev. Wright who is all about Black Liberation Theology which is based on Marxism. Should I not see all that as a warning sign that he's is questionable.

Even his wife has caused me to question her patriotism, when she said she has never been proud of our Nation. What the HELL does she not see that if she were still in Africa she might be fighting over scraps of food out some trash heap. Her she has the ability to go as far as she wants if she works for it.

I have solid reasons for what I see and feel about Anti-Americanism, in some people but never all.

You stretch your point like all Liberals tend to do.
 
cpwill said:
I think what you are looking for in this context is more likely to be found in the Book of Exodus. Chapter 20, Verse 17.
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Seems like proof the author, did not conceive of a finite commons.

See, back then this made perfect sense.

Cuz you could just go over there and get/build your own stuff.

Now there's no there there to go over to that doesn't already have a neighbor on it. Or an "owner" who demands payment for Gods bounty someone's ancestor simply claimed as their own some time in the past.

Seems to me the god who told everyone to go forth and multiply didn't think that through, knowin exactly how much dirt there actually was and all.

No offense, just seems like a conflict to me.
 
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Councilman said:
Why are so many Liberals Anti-American?
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Are they really?

There are a lot of things that don't see as anti-American. Why is it you can't see it when it is clear?
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Is it really that clear?

For example Obama was raised by Communists from his Mother father, stepfather, grand parents
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:lamo :lamo :lamo

then he spent 20 years listening to Rev. Wright who is all about Black Liberation Theology which is based on Marxism. Should I not see all that as a warning sign that he's is questionable
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:lamo

Even his wife has caused me to question her patriotism, when she said she has never been proud of our Nation. What the HELL does she not see that if she were still in Africa she might be fighting over scraps of food out some trash heap. Her she has the ability to go as far as she wants if she works for it.
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Well you don't have to be Anti-American to not be proud of America sometimes.

I'm a very patriotic South African and Canadian, but I'm not proud of everything my country does...

I have solid reasons for what I see and feel about Anti-Americanism, in some people but never all.
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Just alllllll things liberal.

You stretch your point like all Liberals tend to do.
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And you have no point at all except your wild, wacky extreme right talking points.
 
Councilman said:
Unions like many of the protesters are Anti-American and have no clue what runs the economy.

Unions need to charged under RICO Laws for using threats and intimidation to coerce what they want from business and Governments.

Bid business creates the money that drives people to create jobs and new small businesses that are the greatest engines for growth.

These idiot protesters need to be going after Obama and the Liberal agenda that has created more problems than any group in our Nation's history like the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 that told banks and savings and loans to make loaned to people who could never pay their bills.
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Being against the concept of a union or forming a union is about as anti-American as Leon Trotsky throwing a bomb into a Fourth of July picnic booth filled with mothers selling apple pie to raise money for their children's little league baseball team. The idea of people forming into a larger union beyond themselves as mere individuals, or even as mere individual states, is basic and central to America and our government and our way of life.

The idea of a UNION is something our Founding Fathers believed in strongly and America could not have thrived and our institutions survive without the concept of UNION.

How do I know that as a 100% certain fact? I read it somewhere. I believe it was the first purpose of those listed for the formation of the government of the United States.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union........."

Now if I could only remember where that came from.
 
justabubba said:
i guess that is one way to explain why 50% of our nation owns but 2.5% of its wealth
while 1% of the nation owns 33.8% of all assets

what other industrialized nations displays such a wealth disparity?
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None have our freedoms. winners win, losers lose and we subsidize losing way too much so we have too much of it
 
VanceMack said:
Really? THATS what concerns you? Not his constant relationship with the president or the financial contributions to his campaign.
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Exercising free speech. That's what's got you upset?

So, when someone who votes for the Black president or supports him, you find that offensive... the exercising of that particular free speech.


Buffets investment in Tobacco? Well...
"I’ll tell you why I like the cigarette business. It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a dollar. It’s addictive. And there’s fantastic brand loyalty."
Warren Buffett
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FAIL - you said 'gabillions'. When you get those numbers, please get back to us. Until then - F A I L.

And you naively tried to portray shorting stocks as a bad liberal thing... that was very humorous.

A brilliant and wealthy man supports the current President. Stop attacking him for that, you look foolish.
 
hazlnut said:
Exercising free speech. That's what's got you upset?

So, when someone who votes for the Black president or supports him, you find that offensive... the exercising of that particular free speech.




FAIL - you said 'gabillions'. When you get those numbers, please get back to us. Until then - F A I L.

And you naively tried to portray shorting stocks as a bad liberal thing... that was very humorous.

A brilliant and wealthy man supports the current President. Stop attacking him for that, you look foolish.
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but he's a greedy 1%'er.. and therefore worthy of scorn and protest.

...or so we are told by those who lean a bit left...
 
TurtleDude said:
None have our freedoms. winners win, losers lose and we subsidize losing way too much so we have too much of it
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signature worthy

may i use it?
 
TurtleDude said:
None have our freedoms. winners win, losers lose and we subsidize losing way too much so we have too much of it
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Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I saw an interview with a wannabe hippie looking kid whining that he had a college education and couldn’t get a job. Unemployment for people with a degree is 4.2%, maybe he should of got a degree in something other than liberal arts or just look harder for a job instead of wasting time protesting.
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So now even having a degree is not enough in your book? Do you think every one should/can be a doctor,lawyer, nuclear scientist orrrrrrrrrrrrrr a Wall Street banker or broker? Maybe if those on wall street would invest some of the money they made stealing, did I say stealing I meant investing in schemes to fleece money from the unsuspecting middle class and the poor we would have jobs.

Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
 
Thrilla said:
but he's a greedy 1%'er.. and therefore worthy of scorn and protest.

...or so we are told by those who lean a bit left...
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Who are those?
 
EarlzP said:
Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
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Which makes it no different from any other commodity .... DUH !!! Do you think you exagerated a bit with the "50%", btw.

You make a good argument for why Obama's energy policy is FUBAR though. ;)
 
cpwill said:
that's because our current political structure is the result of three "wave" elections - two putting the lefter of the Democrats in power, and one sweeping out the moderate democrats and replacing them with conservative republicans.

think of a venn diagram.... with very little overlap. there simply isn't enough shared assumption for much meaningful compromise. If I think the way to create jobs is to increase government spending, and you think the way to create jobs is to reduce it, we have what is called "mutually contradicting ideals".



that is inaccurate, and is the result of PP twisting its' books to provide precisely such a small number. the overwhelming majority of people that go to PP get abortions, but PP counts each procedure separately in order to hide multiple services that are happening simultaneously or one after the other. What Kyle was trying (and failing) to say was that 90% of PP's services to pregnant women consists of abortion. That, too, would be false. the correct number is 98%. According to Planned Parenthood’s 2009 report, it performed 332,278 abortions, saw, 7,021 prenatal care clients, and made 977 adoption referrals.



this belongs in another thread - but the most vulnerable person in this event is the baby. who is being sawed into pieces while still alive.
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How dishonest. Trying to make the number appears big by focusing on a small section. Are the services it performs for people who are not pregnant not important? Why should we consider only its services to pregnant women, when it provides so many other services to many other people? According to its report, it provided nearly 4m services to do with STD/HIV testing and treatments, is that service not worthy of considerations when looking at funding Planned Parenthood?

And I would like to see the report you base this claim on: "the overwhelming majority of people that go to PP get abortions"

According to Planned Parenthood's own report, that is false, and since you also base some of your claims on this same report, therefore must know its content, I would call it a blatant lie.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf
 
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nonpareil said:
How dishonest. Trying to make the number appears big by focusing on a small section. Are the services it performs for people who are not pregnant not important?
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:shrug: you can argue about their relative importance all day long. that's what he was trying to address.

And I would like to see the report you base this claim on: "the overwhelming majority of people that go to PP get abortions"

According to Planned Parenthood's own report, that is false, and since you also base some of your claims on this same report, therefore must know its content, I would call it a blatant lie.
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yes, that is because (as I noted above) PP specifically counts each event separately in order to minimize the focus on paper. so, for example, if you come into PP because you believe you are pregnant and want to abort, and PP confirms that you are pregnant and sets up a date, and then you come back on that date and abort your baby; that is counted as a person coming in for a pregnancy test, and a person coming in for an abortion rather than the same person taking multiple procedures in the process of getting an abortion. slap on a post-abortion checkup and you've already reduced the number of patients receiving abortions to 1/3.
 
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hazlnut said:
Exercising free speech. That's what's got you upset?

So, when someone who votes for the Black president or supports him, you find that offensive... the exercising of that particular free speech.




FAIL - you said 'gabillions'. When you get those numbers, please get back to us. Until then - F A I L.

And you naively tried to portray shorting stocks as a bad liberal thing... that was very humorous.

A brilliant and wealthy man supports the current President. Stop attacking him for that, you look foolish.
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Comical...in a thread discussing the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement and people who are really just upset with the influence bankers and stock brokers have over elections and government, you fall all over yourself to defend the second wealthiest man in the country because he is dumping cash into YOUR politicians pocket. Way to typify every myopic partisan hack from both sides of the political spectrum there, Pete...
 
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