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Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

FD-The seniors are pretty darn hot about the Tea Party putting SS and Medicare on the chopping block while refusing to raise taxes on the wealthy.
cpwill -actually A) seniors aren't effected by any plan to reform those two entitlements and B) a plurality of seniors poll supporting the Ryan Plan over the Obama Plan.
FD-I don't know a single senior who supports the Ryan plan. After the enormous failure of GWB's Part D plan, senior want nothing to do with another voucher system. They got taken in once; they aren't interested in doing it again.

FD- The younger voters are upset that educational assistance when on the chopping block while refusing to raise taxes on the wealthy.
Cpwill - of course they are. our idiotic notion that everyone needs to go to college has resulted in my generation receiving little to no actual education in return for which we are saddled with massive student debts. THEN, we graduate (if we graduate), only to find that unemployment for our age bracket in the Obama Economy is around 15-25%. Underemployment is far higher than that and suddenly your studies in feminist theory and film don't seem as guaranteed to enable you to pay those loans back as easily as your guidance counselor seemed to have suggested.
FD - I've always felt educational loans should be larger for needed professions and smaller for those who are going into fields that are not needed
FD - There are a lot of Hispanic children born in the US to illegal immigrants that are now over age 18 and they are upset that that the GOP has blocked all legislation that would legal to their relatives be able to make their status legal and to have the protections most workers in America enjoy.
cpwill - that may be true, but the GOP is on the general side of the populace when it comes to immigration.
Not for long if projections about the growth of the Hispanic population come true
FD - The unemployed are upset that the GOP has tried to block programs to help them retrain and programs to create jobs
cpwill - to the contrary, the GOP in the House has passed numerous measures that would have created jobs, that have then gone on to die in the Senate. Democrats, by contrast, seem more interested in measures that constrain job growth.
FD - thus far the GOP seems to be trying to sell trickle-down economics and failed GWB policies. These ideas are what got us into this mess - not what will get us out of this mess
FD - A whole lot of uninsured people are angry that the GOP blocked a public option for healthcare.
cpwill - doubtful. people that are uninsured and can't get insurance generally qualify for Medicaid, which is a public option.
FD - you are woefully out of touch with just how poor someone must be to qualify for Medicaid. The working poor don't qualify - they have to buy a healthcare plan.
FD - People are angry that Americans pay far more for medications than residents of other countries do
cpwill - depending on how you count (do you consider unavailability of care a "cost"? how about time spent waiting?).
FD - have you seen healthcare delivery in a country that has universal, single payer healthcare? I have lived abroad thanks to my husband being in the USAF. People don't wait for months to get MRIs, CTs or most surgeries. Sick people normally get seen the same day as they do here. Home health care and medical equipment is easier to get there than in the US. Emergent care is readily available. Emergency surgery is the same as here. There are no 'death panels'. Preventive care is head and shoulders above the US standards and training on healthy lifestyles is far better. 95% of what the GOP was saying would happen with a single payer system was pure BS.
cpwill - but certainly we pay too much - which is why we should put into place the reforms that have been proven to reduce costs.
FD -Other first world countries pay less per capita and have better healthcare outcomes. How? Single payer, universal healthcare. They have proven this works as a cost containment measure so maybe the US should give this a try.
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That's the way this is headed. They are angry but cannot offer any realistic solutions. They are not the best America has to offer.

Nobody claimed they are "the best America has to offer". So away with the strawman. And the Tea Party was just as unorganized in the beginning. But other posters went through this dance.

Because they have no real ideas they'll be yesterdays new quite quickly.


Do you have a crystal ball or a magic mirror that tells you the future? If not, your speculation means nothing.
 
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The FDIC is a pre bail out, bail out. It ensure that banks can be run all different kinds of badly, and still stay in business, because the customer is covered. By...of course...the customer's taxes. To me, that is government backing of banks. Propping up, to be more exact. So in other words, those other loans, like small biz loans and such, ARE back by the government. The bank can literally loan out ALL of their capitol, and if NONE of it get's paid back, no worries, because the investments are still covered.

But besides that point, why are student loans the only ones openly, directly, back by the government?

The FDIC was put into place to avoid the run on banks that led to the Great Depression. It is not a bank bailout. It's a confidence booster. Provided your bank accounts are structured correctly, one's deposits are insured up to $250,000 and more by the full faith and credit of the United States Government. Yes, funded by taxpayers. Banks cannot loan out all of their capital. They have very strict regulations governing their reserves.

My common sense tells me that student loans are backed by the U.S. Government because college students don't have adequate credit scores. And, of all the loans in the world, a student loan is one biatch to default on. The government will intercept your IRS refund checks, freeze your bank accounts and, in every way you can think of, assure that the student repays. Student loans are not excused in bankruptcy either.

Student loans are not the only loans guaranteed by the U.S. Government:

Government loan guarantee programs are offered by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), the Department of Veterans' Affairs (VA), and the Department of Agriculture's Rural Housing Service (RHS). Each program has its own requirements.
 
I did mean Medicare thank you

:) glad to help

The whole purpose is the 99% that has been left out.

well then the whole purpose is a crock. we have had endless attempts to keep people in houses they never should have bought because they couldn't afford. we have extended unemployment ad nauseum. more people are on government aid than ever before - 47% of households receive one federal program or another. all these students protesting that they have to pay back their loans had their loans federally subsidized in the first place.

just like in Greece, this isn't the "left out" crowd hitting the streets - it's the recipients of government largesse, demanding more.

Medicare and Social Security are entitlements that benefit mainly the lower and middle class. They've always been considered a middle class issue.

they typically have - which is odd considering that social security is designed to help the poor the least. you would think given that set up that there would be room for acceptance of Republican calls to means-test them.
 
I did mean Medicare thank you



The whole purpose is the 99% that has been left out. Medicare and Social Security are entitlements that benefit mainly the lower and middle class. They've always been considered a middle class issue.
WHat does that even mean "the 99% have been left out"? You do realize I am certain that a good number of that '99%' are pretty damn wealthy...making millions. Another very healthy chunk of that '99%' makes well over 250k. A significant portion of that '99%' make 50k or better. Lord...toss people a slogan and they will jump on that beeeyotch like its steak. Left out? Then maybe you ought to look at yourself and YOUR role.
 
I saw an interview with a wannabe hippie looking kid whining that he had a college education and couldn’t get a job. Unemployment for people with a degree is 4.2%, maybe he should of got a degree in something other than liberal arts or just look harder for a job instead of wasting time protesting.
 
WHat does that even mean "the 99% have been left out"? You do realize I am certain that a good number of that '99%' are pretty damn wealthy...making millions. Another very healthy chunk of that '99%' makes well over 250k. A significant portion of that '99%' make 50k or better. Lord...toss people a slogan and they will jump on that beeeyotch like its steak. Left out? Then maybe you ought to look at yourself and YOUR role.
i believe it is this inequitable distribution which is being addressed:
distribution of wealth graph.jpg
 
Except for 7 years of 0 credit. You can't even rent an apt or buy a used car without a credit check, man. Usually the people that file chapter 8 have nothing left, either.

you can do all those things with no credit.
 
What you did not find was the people actually doing this saying what you claim.

that's correct - they are currently camping out in the street somewhere.

so let's see if we have this right:

thus far, you have accused me of making stuff up, so I cited NPR. then you offered that i could be lying, but it was linked. Then you argued that we were linking right wing sites to give off left-wing talking points, so maybe those sites were making things up. Then it turned out that the site linked was a left wing site which had put up the Statement of Facts because they were excited about and supported the OWS protests...

your continued attempts to deny that they released this are getting bizzare. as it is precisely the kind of mumbo-jumbo that you'd expect out of these crowds, i'll admit I'm confused as to why you persist.
 
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It was only a matter of time 'til someone pointed this out.
 
There is nothing wrong with corporations, but there is something very wrong with a lack of social responsibility.

social responsibility is psychobabble speak for giving into parasitic unions and supporting Obamunism
 
Oh my the terrible evil labor unions marching in solidarity with other protesting the end to wall street corruption! How absurd!

It is ironic. I'm still waiting to see a coherant position to decide what I think but the above could be described as..........

We have seen the enemy and they are marching with us.
 
:) glad to help



well then the whole purpose is a crock. we have had endless attempts to keep people in houses they never should have bought because they couldn't afford. we have extended unemployment ad nauseum. more people are on government aid than ever before - 47% of households receive one federal program or another. all these students protesting that they have to pay back their loans had their loans federally subsidized in the first place.

just like in Greece, this isn't the "left out" crowd hitting the streets - it's the recipients of government largesse, demanding more.

they typically have - which is odd considering that social security is designed to help the poor the least. you would think given that set up that there would be room for acceptance of Republican calls to means-test them.

What is bolded is exactly right. The real impetus to government protests and bitching and whining about the rich come very abled bodied people that come frorm the middle class and higher backgrounds who want their government free ride because they just don't feel liket they should be forced to compete for what they need to get by every day. They don't have the ambition or desire to work their way up through the ranks and are jealous of others success at doing so. They are a bunch of pseudo anarchists who are as disengenous as they can be about helping the poor and truly needy. It's mostly about them. They'd love to see a world where they could pick up a monthly check to get themselves by and spend a lot of their days reading the paper at the local coffee shop and bitching some more about what others have that they don't.
 
social responsibility is psychobabble speak for giving into parasitic unions and supporting Obamunism


that is an odd definition of social responsibility
squire, would you please offer us your cite for it
 
What is bolded is exactly right. The real impetus to government protests and bitching and whining about the rich come very abled bodied people that come frorm the middle class and higher backgrounds who want their government free ride because they just don't feel liket they should be forced to compete for what they need to get by every day. They don't have the ambition or desire to work their way up through the ranks and are jealous of others success at doing so. They are a bunch of pseudo anarchists who are as disengenous as they can be about helping the poor and truly needy. It's mostly about them. They'd love to see a world where they could pick up a monthly check to get themselves by and spend a lot of their days reading the paper at the local coffee shop and bitching some more about what others have that they don't.

in my opinion, the 99 percenters are concerned about this disparity and that it is widening since the financial meltdown:
distribution of wealth graph.jpg
 
that is an odd definition of social responsibility
squire, would you please offer us your cite for it

Its an opinion not a squire.
 
in my opinion, the 99 percenters are concerned about this disparity and that it is widening since the financial meltdown:
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if you are concerned about the disparity of wealth do something to make yourself more wealthy rather than whining about what others have done to get wealth
 
if you are concerned about the disparity of wealth do something to make yourself more wealthy rather than whining about what others have done to get wealth

that's what they are protesting to do
to level the playing field
to no longer have the best government that money can buy
 
that's what they are protesting to do
to level the playing field
to no longer have the best government that money can buy

they need to work at making money and stop whining what others have

level the playing field is loser speak for punishing those who have won and a concession that the losers don't want to do what it takes to become winners
 
they need to work at making money and stop whining what others have

level the playing field is loser speak for punishing those who have won and a concession that the losers don't want to do what it takes to become winners

Level playing field means that everyone has access to the infrastructure necessary to build wealth.
 
Level playing field means that everyone has access to the infrastructure necessary to build wealth.


That means oppressing winners to make losers feel better


there are plenty of opportunities for those willing to make the effort that don't require government coercion and class envy
 
That means oppressing winners to make losers feel better


there are plenty of opportunities for those willing to make the effort that don't require government coercion and class envy

If a little bit taking from the top creates more wealth for everyone (and more total wealth for society as a whole), then its a good thing
 
. Really? Explain this moron manifesto....

This shows that the OWS demonstrators have been watching as President Obama tried to work with the republicans to negotiate legistration that both parties could agree to. All of the demands may include points that they think are negotiable. Unlike McConnel who made it clear that the only agenda that the republicans had was to defeat President Obama the OWS demonstrators have not demanded that we replace politicians that they don't like, yet. I expect that in 2012 they will remove any politician they feel bares responsibility for the economic mess we are in
 
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