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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, but those jobs require skills beyond organizing groups of gullible folks to sleep in a park.
    I see. By your standards, oil companies and banks can have the government's ear, but ordinary people can't, because they are not as good? Who is the freakin' elitist now?
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post

    If and when folks finally protest at such as the White House, it will be to get Obama to do more to redistribute the wealth. Bank it.
    They are in D.C. My money is on the belief that those in politics who think they have something to gain are actually going to be hurt. They can not play both sides of the fence here in addressing the complaints of the OWS crowd and those who financially support them.

    Yes, there is a segment that are there for no other reason than to support Obama. That can not be the message though or it's completely dismissed. Despite what may be Obama's core beliefs, he can not act on them and he won't.

    He'll make a bunch of speeches with all sorts of accusations but as we see with his Jobs Bill, nobody is listening to his speeches any longer. He acts or he gets further marginalized. He isn't going to act. He can't.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    FYI:

    Capital gains tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 2008–2012, the tax rate on qualified dividends and long term capital gains is 0% for those in the 10% and 15% income tax brackets.

    so if you pay yourself a $1 yearly salary from your corporation, and the rest of your income is from investments, you pay ZERO income tax. its good to be the king huh?
    Nonsense, Your short term rates are 10 and 15% respectively. Do you understand the difference between short term and long term ?

    Show us what you believe to "not be fair", and why. As has been demonstrated, all taxes are progressively slanted as it is. Libs want it slanted even mor. How much more ? What will that remedy ? By how much /
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not a good job. Lobbyists for oil companies and banks make much more.
    Yeah, a lot of them in the video look like they'd make persuasive lobbyists, if cleanliness and clarity of thought is overlooked.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Tis tis Tis did you forget about the Wall Street bailouts? Let's see GM was bailed out their incompetent CEO was fired compared with Wall street was bailed out their incompetent CEO's remained CEO's and are right back to huge salaries and bonuses.
    Great! The taxpayers will now be held responsible for incompetent CEO's and the government will take over the business. It must be great to live in a country where nobody, apart from incompetent CEOs, can fail.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I see. By your standards, oil companies and banks can have the government's ear, but ordinary people can't, because they are not as good? Who is the freakin' elitist now?
    Huh... I didn't Gill say they weren't good enough, or that ordinary people cannot gain the governments ear... just making stuff up doesn't do much Dan, nor does adding your own accusations when there's nothing to base it on.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Originally Posted by EarlzP

    Tis tis Tis did you forget about the Wall Street bailouts? Let's see GM was bailed out their incompetent CEO was fired compared with Wall street was bailed out their incompetent CEO's remained CEO's and are right back to huge salaries and bonuses.
    Great! The taxpayers will now be held responsible for incompetent CEO's and the government will take over the business. It must be great to live in a country where nobody, apart from incompetent CEOs, can fail.
    Please be patient I just had dinner onions, peppers, potatoes and sausage and my brain is unable to digest your reply.

    Taxpayers=government you know we elect them good or bad. We the taxpayers are in charge. So I am trying to under stand what you have written "typed" do you think that CEO's who ran businesses that failed on their watch should be fired? or Should they be bailed out and given large salaries and bonuses?

    Do you work? What would happen to you if you did not do your job? If you say you would have been given a large salary and big bonus please tell me where you work there are 14 million Americans who are looking for jobs.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Huh... I didn't Gill say they weren't good enough, or that ordinary people cannot gain the governments ear... just making stuff up doesn't do much Dan, nor does adding your own accusations when there's nothing to base it on.
    Thanks... just read his post and was scratching my head trying to figure out what the hell he was talking about and how he got that from my post.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Subjective example #3: Degree in Electrical Engineering and degree in Math. Ran an air conditioning company for 18 years, before it was sold to a new owner, who ran it into the ground in less than a year. Took him seven months to obtain another job.
    Were you willing to move to where the jobs are? Many are not.
    I hire plenty of EEs, MEs and other hard sciences types (physics and mathematics mostly). But I only hire the ones who are willing to move to where the work is.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They are in D.C. My money is on the belief that those in politics who think they have something to gain are actually going to be hurt. They can not play both sides of the fence here in addressing the complaints of the OWS crowd and those who financially support them.

    Yes, there is a segment that are there for no other reason than to support Obama. That can not be the message though or it's completely dismissed. Despite what may be Obama's core beliefs, he can not act on them and he won't.

    He'll make a bunch of speeches with all sorts of accusations but as we see with his Jobs Bill, nobody is listening to his speeches any longer. He acts or he gets further marginalized. He isn't going to act. He can't.

    Oh, he could. What's money, when one has the power to make much, much more? You see, the compromise that will be made of all this mess is, we leave big business alone, and we raise the taxes on the wealthy. The substance dulled masses will clamber to offer applause, individuals with wealth will act hurt, the republicans will claim it's a blow against freedom, justice, and the american way, and Obama will make a pretty speech when it's all done, congratulating all of us, congress, and himself, for being able to come together in solidarity, and get things done in a crisis. And then, 3 - 6 years later, we'll be right back where we were, huge deficit, even higher income gaps between rich and not rich, and higher costs of living, forcing those that were once middle class into the "poor" bracket. Why? Because those wealthy folks, if the way business is conducted in this country is not changed, can pretty much do whatever they want. We have anti trust laws, true, but they are largely ineffectual, when you have some companies that own enough other companies to control entire branches of our economy.

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