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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Selfish ????

    You dare to compare a young 18 yo kid that has paid no more than $500 in taxes his entire life to a senior that has paid tens of thousands into social security and medicare for 40+ years ?????

    One is expecting something for nothing............. the other is expecting a return on their investment and a promise fulfilled.

    And by the way, national defense is the number one responsibility of the federal government.

    How about you quit the class warfare and age discrimination and demand the true solution.......... responsible government spending.
    Umm, this whole thread as well as other Wall Street threads have depicted the young unfavorable. It's a little late to take the "higher ground" after having to go through pages of "hippie no good no wanting to work selfish kids". I finally responded to it. I'm fine with keeping generational warefare out of the discussion yet it's repeatedly been brought up in every Wall St protest thread.

    I think safety nets are a great thing. I think Defense is needed. I also think you should pay enough taxes to cover those expenses...true fiscal conservatism.

    I don't care what taxes you paid, it obviously wasn't enough to fund the things you wanted, hence massive deficit in the Trillions. It's math. Now every conservative or Tea Party proposal seeks to remedy that by asking me to pay the same rate you did in SS/Medicare, and receiving less services when I finally retire. Hence, you want to close the debt entirely on my generations shoulders.
    Your generation has paid the lowest income tax rates since the 1920's and you create a "Taxed Enough Already" group to protest any more taxes.

    My generation will be paying off the deficit, my generation will be seeing less in services than we paid in and you can straight face call my generation the selfish ones....because they complain about not getting a job? Please.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    If you are still looking for a job, here's one for you.... you can get paid to camp out on Wall Street.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you are still looking for a job, here's one for you.... you can get paid to camp out on Wall Street.

    courtesy of a CraigsList help wanted ad. Pays pretty good too.



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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Umm, this whole thread as well as other Wall Street threads have depicted the young unfavorable. It's a little late to take the "higher ground" after having to go through pages of "hippie no good no wanting to work selfish kids". I finally responded to it. I'm fine with keeping generational warefare out of the discussion yet it's repeatedly been brought up in every Wall St protest thread.
    Obviously you aren't fine with keeping generational "warefare" (is that supposed to be welfare??) out of the discussion since you seem to think that young kids that haven't contributed anything to the country should get a free ride.

    I think safety nets are a great thing. I think Defense is needed. I also think you should pay enough taxes to cover those expenses...true fiscal conservatism.
    Most of us think we are paying more than enough taxes to cover those "necessary" expenses.

    I don't care what taxes you paid, it obviously wasn't enough to fund the things you wanted, hence massive deficit in the Trillions. It's math. Now every conservative or Tea Party proposal seeks to remedy that by asking me to pay the same rate you did in SS/Medicare, and receiving less services when I finally retire. Hence, you want to close the debt entirely on my generations shoulders.
    Your generation has paid the lowest income tax rates since the 1920's and you create a "Taxed Enough Already" group to protest any more taxes.
    The massive deficit only happened in the past ten years. We had a fiscally irresponsible Republican in office that spent too much, followed by a maniac that thinks money grows on trees that took Bush's deficit and put it on steroids.

    I paid enough taxes to fund more than what I wanted, but I didn't pay enough for all the wasted spending that government has become.

    I suggest you do a little reading if you think my generation has paid the lowest income tax rates since the 1920s. No, I take that back........you need a class in reasoned thinking. I've paid taxes for over 40 years. Do you actually think rates were that low for that entire time??? When I started paying taxes, the marginal rate for $50,000 income was 54%. The only time it was higher was immediately after WW2 to pay for the cost of the war.

    My generation will be paying off the deficit, my generation will be seeing less in services than we paid in and you can straight face call my generation the selfish ones....because they complain about not getting a job? Please.
    If these folks occupying Wall Street get their way, your great-great-grandchildren will be paying your debt, that is if they last long enough. Nobody is calling anyone selfish because they can't get a job, they are selfish for thinking someone owes them something for nothing.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not a good job. Lobbyists for oil companies and banks make much more.
    Yeah, but those jobs require skills beyond organizing groups of gullible folks to sleep in a park.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    I stuck this in another thread, but these number are from 2010 tax returns:

    For instance, the top 5% of all wage earners earn about 35% of all wages paid, yet pay over 58% of all wage taxes paid. That's pretty progressive.

    Tell us what is fair libs. Tell us what the numbers should be. And "why" please.

    And if the bitch is investment income, taxed at 15%, which is about equal to the progressive income rate already higher than the bottom 70% of wage earners pay, then tell us how much hgher that should go too, and why. And what will this do to the migration investment monies ?

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Tis tis Tis did you forget about the Wall Street bailouts? Let's see GM was bailed out their incompetent CEO was fired compared with Wall street was bailed out their incompetent CEO's remained CEO's and are right back to huge salaries and bonuses.

    We have seen the government become involved with automobile industry, General Electric,and huge amounts of money being funneled to other companies and corporations (Solyndra being just one of them) which is the real danger, and the people know little about it. These 'investments' are always for the 'public good', and the people find themselves $15 trillion dollars in debt and few care how it is ever going to be repaid. And they won't care until there is no money left for their social programs. Then the real protests will begin.
    The tea partiers should wake up and smell the dandelions they are no more representative of the people's needs they as Herman Caine would say have been brainwashed

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Obviously you aren't fine with keeping generational "warefare" (is that supposed to be welfare??) out of the discussion since you seem to think that young kids that haven't contributed anything to the country should get a free ride
    Free ride? Large debts to get an education while needing an education in order to survive in the present economy, trillions in debt, a crumbling infrastructure, high unemployment, median incomes lower than they've been in decades. Don't worry, you guys have left things so that we'll be paying for a very long time. You can take solace in the fact you've screwed future generations.

    Most of us think we are paying more than enough taxes to cover those "necessary" expenses.
    Okay, and that benefits the people that will be paying those debts down how? We're talking generations here. You guys are making blanket statments of my generation. Your generation did not bring in enough revenue to cover expenses. There was obviously not a political movement to run a balanced budget or you would.

    The massive deficit only happened in the past ten years. We had a fiscally irresponsible Republican in office that spent too much, followed by a maniac that thinks money grows on trees that took Bush's deficit and put it on steroids.

    I paid enough taxes to fund more than what I wanted, but I didn't pay enough for all the wasted spending that government has become.

    I suggest you do a little reading if you think my generation has paid the lowest income tax rates since the 1920s. No, I take that back........you need a class in reasoned thinking. I've paid taxes for over 40 years. Do you actually think rates were that low for that entire time??? When I started paying taxes, the marginal rate for $50,000 income was 54%. The only time it was higher was immediately after WW2 to pay for the cost of the war.
    Yes, and 40 years ago the budgets were relatively balanced. The deficits grew in the 80's by around 300%...with a Republican President that pushed for tax cuts. Just think about what you typed out, after WW2, tax rates were high to pay for the cost of the war. Compare that to Bush whose voting demographic was overwhelmingly your generation and the fact he CUT taxes while we fought 2 wars. The only consistent thing that's happened since 1980's is taxes have gone down while deficits have gone up. We'll be paying for that. You're virtually charging future generations for your tax cuts.

    If these folks occupying Wall Street get their way, your great-great-grandchildren will be paying your debt, that is if they last long enough. Nobody is calling anyone selfish because they can't get a job, they are selfish for thinking someone owes them something for nothing.
    No they won't, there would be tax increases to actually pay for our goods instead of these loopholes built into the tax code. There wouldn't be companies like GE payin 0% in taxes while shipping jobs overseas. The fact the avg tax rate of the top 400 richest households in America is 16%ish wouldn't exist. We'd actually be able to compete in a global economy because....we'd actually be educating our future rather than giving them a choice between poverty or poverty via student loan debt.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    EarlzP;1059862988]My vision of the federal government is to provide a country that responds to the needs of the majority of the people, let me give you some examples enforcement of the trade agreement, regulatory laws and enforcement of those laws to protect the consumer and the environment of the air, water and land masses
    What does the state govt. do then in your world. The role of the Central Govt. was to be limited and has expanded to what it is today. Interesting that we have a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. today that has been built on social engineering dollars all because of people like you not holding your state responsibile for results and expecting more out of the Federal Govt. than it was intended to do.


    First as an employee I never felt over worked, I never felt that I could do more work in 8 hours then was possible, work output differs from one person to another, work ethics aside education and experience can tilt productivity.
    And it appears that you benefited from that hard wrok.

    As a manager I felt it was part of my job use those assigned to me in the most productive way possible and to deal with less productive employees in a way that encouraged them to increase their productivity, I will give you a clue happy hands are busy hands
    Good, that is local responsibility and not Federal Responsibility. Sounds like you were a good manager and there are more like you than many want to acknowledge


    I don't like to fight but when my back is against the wall those who are confronting me and leaving me little to no choice but to defend myself and those that I love will find l believe in doing what ever it takes to discourage them from a need to repeat the experience again, that said when companies or individuals steal from the people and get no protection from those who are supposed to protect them they may need to organize and use their numbers to convince those companies and individuals that they are capable of defending their selves and their families

    What do I say it looks like the rebirth of the real Boston tea party, scary isnít it
    When companies steal from the people they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The problem here is too many people broad brush the problem and make it bigger than it really is. What exactly is going to be accomplished by the Wall Street protests? Wall Street doesn't make the laws.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    ...And if the bitch is investment income, taxed at 15%, which is about equal to the progressive income rate already higher than the bottom 70% of wage earners pay, then tell us how much hgher that should go too, and why....
    FYI:

    Capital gains tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 2008–2012, the tax rate on qualified dividends and long term capital gains is 0% for those in the 10% and 15% income tax brackets.

    so if you pay yourself a $1 yearly salary from your corporation, and the rest of your income is from investments, you pay ZERO income tax. its good to be the king huh?

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