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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, I read the article, did you? what part of that refutes what I posted? Have you read articles about self made millionaires? What you and others want to ignore is that



    Read the story of Mark Zuckerberg, age 23 and many other self made millionaires. You won't see them as part of a union or in the Protest Wall Street rallies. They are too busy chasing their dream and making their dreams happen.

    Too many including you prefer to sit back and wait for something to happen or have your union do it for you whereas others are out there making things happen. I like the latter vs the former
    AGAIN, showing your ignorance on subjects you know nothing about(that being unions, but they are for another topic)...a simple yes or no would have sufficed ....the question i asked had nothing to do with me, but, you had to go and try and make it personal.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    from Conservative on the Sanchez column about the Wall Street protests and the inability of some to "get it"

    As long as you and others create victims all articles like that do is feed the sheep.

    I have never created any victims. On the other hand, we have predatory loan practices, rampant and wild speculators, dishonest Wall Street pimps and hustlers and corporate greed leaving behind in their wake an every growing list of victims.


    I believe in creating your own opportunities and accepting personal responsibility.
    Great. So do I. So does almost everyone I know of and associate with. So what?


    I see no benefits at all protesting Wall Street as Wall Street doesn't make the laws
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    Of course you make a conscious decision NOT to see what would otherwise disturb you. Wall Street may not directly make any laws but they certainly find a way to get many of the laws they desire which benefits them tremendously.

    Further I see classware as a way to promote the socialist agenda and a lot of good people getting caught up in the rhetoric and ignoring the substance.

    In a nation where 1% control 42% of the wealth and 5% control 69% of the wealth and 10% control 90% of the wealth, class warfare has been waged successfully by the wealthy for a very long time now. No less than one of the lands wealthiest billionaires - Warren Buffet - says so.


    Once I realized what the Democrat Party was doing, I stopped feeling sorry for myself and created my own opportunities. I saw all that spending in the name of compassion as nothing more than creating more dependent people. That change in attitude helped me shake the bonds of liberalism and benefited me greatly.
    Every man for himself may work on a sinking ship... but it is bad for a sustainable nation of 300 million people.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Young people have a MASSIVE problem with self discipline and initiative these days.

    Everything is just too easy. You can put together an incredibly impressive report for your high school history teacher or college professor sitting on your coach on a rainy Sunday these days that's due the next day.

    Used to be, it took three days to put together a report that looked half as good but took 10 times the effort. You spent the day at the library, sifting through numerous rabbit trails threw the Dewey Decimal system only to come up with bupkus and have to start again.

    There was no cut and paste graphics or wikipedia that turned everything into perfect Cliff Notes on any subject.

    That carries over to the job field, where no one seems willing to do grimy work while in school or fresh out. It's beneath them and their iLifestyle.
    My oh my but where have I heard that type of grousing about the young generation before?

    "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
    frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
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    [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My oh my but where have I heard that type of grousing about the young generation before?

    "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
    frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
    words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
    respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
    [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).
    Didn't know you were that old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Didn't know you were that old.
    Heck Maggie, I can still remember those big thunder lizards you whippersnappers call dinosaurs.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think you hit the nail on the head here. When the Tea Party was out protesting, these people were supporting them, and talking about how lucky we are to be Americans, and have free speech. Now that the other side is doing the exact same thing, free speech has become anti-American to them. Ya know, I wonder which is worse - People protesting Obama being an African who is not qualified to be president, or people protesting the corruption that has become part and parcel of the banksters. Of course, Obama not being a citizen is worse. He is not a Republican.

    Damn hypocrites make me want to puke.
    Why yes...the two are so comparible. The Tea Party is protesting out of control giovernment spending that has **** on your grandkids and dumped on them a 15.5 trillion dollar debt with no end in sight and the OWS protesters 'demand' free education, someone else pay off their debt, demand a 'livable' wage regardless of whether or not they work...gimme gimme gimme. I totally agree...****ing piece of **** whiny freeloaders...makes me want to puke.

    The rich should pull their investments from the banks and markets. Watch the union retirement accounts along with everyone elses 401ks take a total dump. They should let all the 'socialists' carry the ball...take care of all the sniveling whiners out of your pocket. Frankly...I think it would be fun to watch.

    And BTW...what was YOUR position on the Tea Party? What was yor little 'likers' position? Full on supportive right? I mean...surely no hypocrisy...

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    this superb column should be read by all

    Herman Cain doesn't realize that young people today do not lack initiative. They lack opportunity - chicagotribune.com

    a taste

    Those who claim they just do not get what is happening in these protests need to read this article with an open mind.
    As there is an increase in social programs, and the bureaucracies needed to run them, there will be a corresponding decrease in the amount of money available for Americans to spend and invest.

    It is impossible to have both. Many Americans seem to want their previous lifestyles while adding further social programs, That is quite impossible. A new world has been created in the United States and the American people will have to adjust. As well, their freedoms will diminish because they'll have to align themselves and their lives according to these social programs. This should not have been unexpected as it is not a new thing.

    These people should be protesting against the growth of big government and big business both aligning their forces. They would join with the Tea Party in recognizing the dangers of Big Government and what inevitably happens.

    We have seen the government become involved with automobile industry, General Electric,and huge amounts of money being funneled to other companies and corporations (Solyndra being just one of them) which is the real danger, and the people know little about it. These 'investments' are always for the 'public good', and the people find themselves $15 trillion dollars in debt and few care how it is ever going to be repaid. And they won't care until there is no money left for their social programs. Then the real protests will begin.

    Not until the OWS join forces with the Tea Party will real change come about.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Why yes...the two are so comparible. The Tea Party is protesting out of control giovernment spending that has **** on your grandkids and dumped on them a 15.5 trillion dollar debt with no end in sight
    It is comparable. Until I see them either want to revert the Bush tax cuts, want to take cuts in their Social Security, take cuts in their Medicare, or cut the Defense budget they are just as spoiled as a kid wanting free education.

    All of those are the major drivers of government debt, all of those benefit the age demographic of the Tea Party, and all are off limits....unless you just want to cut those things for future generations.

    Looks pretty selfish to me.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It is comparable. Until I see them either want to revert the Bush tax cuts, want to take cuts in their Social Security, take cuts in their Medicare, or cut the Defense budget they are just as spoiled as a kid wanting free education.

    All of those are the major drivers of government debt, all of those benefit the age demographic of the Tea Party, and all are off limits....unless you just want to cut those things for future generations.

    Looks pretty selfish to me.
    Selfish ????

    You dare to compare a young 18 yo kid that has paid no more than $500 in taxes his entire life to a senior that has paid tens of thousands into social security and medicare for 40+ years ?????

    One is expecting something for nothing............. the other is expecting a return on their investment and a promise fulfilled.

    And by the way, national defense is the number one responsibility of the federal government.

    How about you quit the class warfare and age discrimination and demand the true solution.......... responsible government spending.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with you (and the quote) completely.

    Otherwise wonderful parents have very carefully created unrealistic expectations in their children. In the name of self-esteem, they have created arrogance. Then life hits 'em up the side of the head and they holler, "Not fair!!!!"

    Subjective example #1: 22-year-old married and moved out of state. Anxious for a teaching job in Red Neck territory. I tough sell for a transplant. She sent out dozens of resumes; had a half-dozen or so interviews; and got the call from one of them telling her she'd gotten the job. Was she ecstatic? Did she feel fortunate? Uhhhhh, no. She said to the caller, "I'm going to discuss it with my husband and call you back." The caller said, "We had 200 applicants for this position. We're just going to move on." She was devastated. "That's not fair," she said. She's substituting all over the county this year.

    Subjective example #2: Graduated last year. A teacher who wants to coach basketball at the college level. He can't find a job. Won't even apply for other positions. Lives at home with mom and dad who pay many of his living expenses as he holds out for his dream job. None of this "entry-level" crap for him. Hell, that's everybody's dream job. He's disallusioned. Ya' think??
    Subjective example #3: Degree in Electrical Engineering and degree in Math. Ran an air conditioning company for 18 years, before it was sold to a new owner, who ran it into the ground in less than a year. Took him seven months to obtain another job. Turned down for low paying jobs because he was "overqualified". Turned down for higher paying jobs because he was "unemployed", so there must have been something wrong with him, according to those who interviewed him. Interviewed by one recruiter, who was so impressed that he was introduced to the president of the company, and after that, his calls and emails were never returned. Dozens of resumes sent in, many applications made, and at least 5 interviews - This was each week for 7 months, before he was able to obtain another job.

    This is ME!! The problem with a few of you here in this forum is that, according to what you post, you believe that the unemployed are unemployed because there is something wrong with them, when in actuality, they are unemployed because the job market at this time is an employer's market. There are many qualified people who are trying very hard to obtain another job. I saw them every time I went to an interview, lined up for that interview, just as I was. The job I finally obtained had more than 200 applications for it, and there were more than 50 interviews. I got lucky. The others weren't so lucky, but God damn it, they were not lazy people, and the insinuations from some of you that they are lazy are insulting. There are a lot of good people out of work through no fault of their own. But you won't understand until you lose your own job, and then have to hustle your asses off to find another one, like I did. But you know what? I would not wish that on you. I am not that kind of a douche bag. So, best wishes to you, and I hope what happened to me does not happen to you. I mean that.
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